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Hi all,

can you give a short history of the british aircraft builder Heston? I need also informations about the aircraft(projects?) J.?.2/ J.?.4/ J.?.7 and J.?.8...
...was J.C.9 the last project by Heston?

Thanks

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"an you give a short history..."
Short, very short, just what is said in "Flugzeuge von A-Z", Bernard Graefe :
Founded in 1934 to take over the former Comper Aircraft Company. The first
product was the Phoenix I, first flown in 1935. Three and three similar Phoenix II
were built. Then two primary trainer (probably the T.1/37) were built and two
examples of the Type 5 Racer. The last (built) type was the A.2/45. Sorry, no
mention of projects. :(
 
Hi,

the company had two series,JA and JC.
 
hesham said:
the company had two series,JA and JC.

I know only JA series,JA.1 was a light aircraft was (Type 1 Phoenix),JA.2 Griffin maybe a
light aircraft Project,JA.3 was T1/37 trainer,JA.4 T7/37 communication airplane Project
and JA.5 racer monoplane.
 
For JC series,

JC.1 was trainer aircraft project for T23/43,JC.2 maybe a navalised F12/43 as a
De Havilland DH-103 Sea Hornet for N5/44,JC.3 & JC.4 unknown,JC.5 was a light
communication aircraft project for A4/45,JC.6 was a AOP aircraft for A2/45,JC.7
maybe the same as Youngman-Baynes High Lift,JC.8 maybe a trainer aircraft
project for T16/48,JC.9 rocket powered VG aircraft.
 
For JC 1,5,6 & 9 were already real designations,for JC.2 it was a speculation,because
the company built it,for JC 7,also my guess,because the company was responsible
about it,and in T16/48,the firm submitted or subscribe in it,but I don't know if it
introduced a proposal or not,so I think it was JC.8,so it was also only my valuation.
 
For JC series,

JC.1 was trainer aircraft project for T23/43,JC.2 maybe a navalised F12/43 as a
De Havilland DH-103 Sea Hornet for N5/44,JC.3 & JC.4 unknown,JC.5 was a light
communication aircraft project for A4/45,JC.6 was a AOP aircraft for A2/45,JC.7
maybe the same as Youngman-Baynes High Lift,JC.8 maybe a trainer aircraft
project for T16/48,JC.9 rocket powered VG aircraft.

I think that,JC.3 was known Project ?,can anyone confirm or deny that ?.
 
Can you give us the sources for the "JC.9 rocket powered VG Hesham ?
 
JC.8 maybe a trainer aircraft
project for T16/48
Heston never tendered a design for T.16/48, we've discussed this before and there is no evidence of a submission.
 
JC.8 maybe a trainer aircraft
project for T16/48
Heston never tendered a design for T.16/48, we've discussed this before and there is no evidence of a submission.

We said before,may it was just a sketch,but definitely it was taken a designation
in the compamy,even it never grow up to be a proposal.
 
I know only JA series,JA.1 was a light aircraft was (Type 1 Phoenix),JA.2 Griffin maybe a
light aircraft Project,JA.3 was T1/37 trainer,JA.4 T7/37 communication airplane Project
and JA.5 racer monoplane.

In Aeroplane monthly 2023-9,they displayed a seven-seat high-wing light monoplane project,powered
by two pusher engines,and it's unknown,but they suggested it belongs to another companies,and I say;
why we can consider it from Heston itself,may it carried the designation JA.6 ?.
 
Napier-Heston Racer, also known as the Heston Type 5 Racer or Heston High Speed Aircraft J.5, or in the attached Flight magazine article from 1943 "Nuffield-Napier-Heston Racer.

Flight Apr 15th 1943.jpg
 

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I have collected some material on the "Racer" but haven't spotted the JA.5 designation before. Where did you find it?

That 'J.5' for the Heston Type 5 Racer seems to have originated with The Aeroplane and Flight.

There's a lot of confusion (and speculation) around Heston Aircraft Company designations. Initially, Heston just used Type numbers - beginning with the Type 1 Phoenix. Later, Heston began applying designation prefixes in the JA. and JC. series. After WW2, the S.B.A.C. designation system incorporated some these codes into its series as well.

There is also some uncertainty about the presentation of these designations. They are seen with one dot (between prefix and number); two dots (one after each prefix letter); a space between letters and number; no space at all; or a hyphen between letters and number (which also became the official style for S.B.A.C. designations.

-- Eg: Air Pictorial and Air Reserve Gazette, Vol XIII, No.12, Dec 1951, pg 365

FWIW, the Heston designation list I have follows:

Heston JA. Series

JA.1 - 1935 Heston Type 1 Phoenix 5-seat cabin tourer; x 6
- JA.1 Phoenix I : 1 x 200 hp DH Gipsy Six srs I; span 12.29 m
- JA.1 Phoenix II: 1 x 205 hp DH Gipsy Six srs II; span 12.29 m

JA. 2 - (Project) Griffin; 6-seat Phoenix development
- JA.2: 1 x 290 hp Wolseley Scorpio 9-cyl. radial; span (??)

JA.3 - 1938 Heston 2-seat trainer monoplane to T.1/37; x 2
- JA.3: 1 x 200 hp (?) DH Gipsy Queen; span 12.80 m

JA.4 - (Project) T.7/37 RAF communications a/c; no details (??)

JA.5 - 1940 Heston Type 5 Racer; aka Nuffield-Napier-Heston Racer
- JA.5: 1 x 2,450 hp Napier Sabre H24 engine; span 9.76 m

JA.6 - JA.7 - (??) speculative

JA.8 - 1941 Boulton Paul P.92/2 half-scale turret fighter prototype
- JA.8: 2 x 130 hp DH Gipsy Major II 4-cylinders; span 10.00 m

Heston JC. Series

JC.1 - (Project) T.23/43 RAF elementary trainer; (??) no details

JC.2 - JC.4 - (??) speculative

JC.5 - (Project) A4/45 (OR.164) Army 3-seat communications a/c
- JC.5: 1 x 240 hp de Havilland Gipsy Queen; span (??) m
-- A.4/45 contestants proved under-powered; contest cancelled

JC.6 - 1947 A.2/45 (OR.176) AOP prototypes; x 2 (VL529 & VL530)*
- JC.6: Tandem 2-seater; twin-boom pusher; fixed tricycle u/c
- JC.6: 1 x 240 hp de Havilland Gipsy Queen 33; span 13.00 m
-- * VL530 not flown; VL531 & VL532 serials assigned; not built
-- Saro P.100: (Project) Saunders-Roe floatplane variant; not built

JC.7 - JC.8 - (??) speculative
-- Heston was a sub-contractor for Barnes Wallis' Wild Goose*
-- * Alas, no evidence ties JC.7 or JC.8 to Wild Goose project
-- There is alternative speculation on JC.7 & JC.8 in the thread

JC.9 - (Project) Variable-geometry wing demonstrator for Vickers*
- JC.9: PoC vehicle for Barnes Wallis' Swallow SST concept
- JC.9: 1 x 870 lbf AS ASA.1 Adder jet;** span 11.58 m (unswept)
-- * Delivered to Vickers Weybridge; never assembled; scrapped
-- ** Meant to first fly as glider, then with S-intake fed turbojet
 
I know only JA series,JA.1 was a light aircraft was (Type 1 Phoenix),JA.2 Griffin maybe a
light aircraft Project,JA.3 was T1/37 trainer,JA.4 T7/37 communication airplane Project
and JA.5 racer monoplane.
For JC series,

JC.1 was trainer aircraft project for T23/43,JC.2 maybe a navalised F12/43 as a
De Havilland DH-103 Sea Hornet for N5/44,JC.3 & JC.4 unknown,JC.5 was a light
communication aircraft project for A4/45,JC.6 was a AOP aircraft for A2/45,JC.7
maybe the same as Youngman-Baynes High Lift,JC.8 maybe a trainer aircraft
project for T16/48,JC.9 rocket powered VG aircraft.

Amazing work as usual my dear Apophenia,

but you must know all my speculations are from a reliable book,and
it's very nearly to the truth,it's;
British Aircraft Specifications file 1920-1949.
 

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Amazing work as usual my dear Apophenia,

but you must know all my speculations are from a reliable book,and
it's very nearly to the truth,it's;
British Aircraft Specifications file 1920-1949.
Your 'reliable' source was compiled, to a great extent, from data in the Putnam series. These, it has been shown, are very variable in quality and I only use them as a starting point for research.
 
FWIW, the Heston designation list I have follows:

Heston JA. Series


JA.5 - 1940 Heston Type 5 Racer; aka Nuffield-Napier-Heston Racer
- JA.5: 1 x 2,450 hp Napier Sabre H24 engine; span 9.76 m

JA.6 - JA.7 - (??) speculative

JA.8 - 1941 Boulton Paul P.92/2 half-scale turret fighter prototype
- JA.8: 2 x 130 hp DH Gipsy Major II 4-cylinders; span 10.00 m
A possible contender for JA.6 or JA.7 could be their twin-Merlin P.R aircraft project dating from June 1941 (Blueprints owned by Tony Buttler so I won't post them here). Neither of the drawings show any project designation, which does not surprise me as, along with so many other constructors, designations appear to have been applied at a later date or somewhat randomly.
 

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