Helmut Gröttrup - project

[Forsker]

I am looking for various information on USSR rocket designs being developed by the Helmut Gröttrup team. On the website: http: //www.astronautix.com/i/irbm.html and http://www.friends-partners.org/mwade/lvfam/earsiles.htm there are several such examples: G-1 (Г-1), G-4 (Г-4), R-3A (Р-3А). I am interested in the drawings on the basis of which a model could be made.

 

[greenmartian2017]

If you would like to read more about the background (from the Western intelligence perspective) of the German experience in Russia's early missile program, I would suggest you attempt to track down (maybe a university library, or from the British Interplanetary Society itself) the following two-part article serial. If memory serves, part 1 had a bunch of illustrations with it. It was all part of Operation Dragon Return.


P. Pesavento, Before Sputnik: A Glimpse into What Western Intelligence Knew About Soviet Rocketry and Personalities. Part 1. Space Chronicle 63 (JBIS Supplement 2):63-91, 2010.

P. Pesavento, Before Sputnik: A Glimpse into What Western Intelligence Knew About Soviet Rocketry and Personalities. Part 2. Space Chronicle 64 (JBIS Supplement 1):25-44, 2011.

 

[Forsker]

It is good that you have provided these book/article titles here. Unfortunately, I don't have access to them.

I am mainly interested in drawings with dimensions.

 

[Forsker]

Looking at the projects created in the 1960/70s on the US side - Sprint / Hibex and later Soviet N1 and the current system S-300 (missile 9M82, 9M83), the same design approach was very innovative and ahead of everything that has been done so far. You can see how well thought out this project was, that it was copied in design even today (S-300).

 

[Forsker]

http://www.raketenspezialisten.de/pdf/jbisdruckvorlage.pdf

 

[antigravite]

Hi

You'll find lots of contextual information and related stuff in Operation Osoaviakhim.

Some interesting references:

• Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim
• Norman Naimark, The Russians in Germany. Harvard University Press, 1995
• Paul Maddrell, Operation ‘Dragon Return’ in: Paul Madrell, Spying on Science: Western Intelligence in Divided Germany 1945-1961, Oxford Scholarship Online, 2006; https://www.oxfordscholarship.com/v...67507.001.0001/acprof-9780199267507-chapter-9
• Paul Maddrell, "Western Intelligence Gathering and the Division of German Science," Cold War International History Project Bulletin, Issue 12/13 (Fall/Winter 2001), pp. 352–359.
• Paul Maddrell, "Operation 'Matchbox' and the Scientific Containment of the USSR," in P. Jackson & J. Siegel (eds.), Intelligence and Statecraft: The Use and Limits of Intelligence in International Society ( Westport, CT : Praeger Publishers), (2005), pp. 173–206.
• Paul Maddrell, "La Pénétration de la Zone Soviétique de l'Allemagne et de l'Union Soviétique par les Services de Renseignement Britanniques, 1945-1955," in J. Delmas & J. Kessler (eds.), Renseignement et Propaganda pendant la Guerre Froide (1947-1953) (Brussels: Editions Complexe), (1999), pp. 153–172.

A.

 

[Forsker]

I know a little bit about German engineers in the Soviet Union. I am most interested in drawings (preferably with dimensions), which are really very few.

 

[athpilot]

Drawings with dimensions from the Gröttrup -Team itself (pc of Olaf Przybilski and Jürgen Michels). Since this book was released (in 1997) I never saw further drawings/sketches with dimensions. Pictured are the sketches of the G1/R10, the R12 series and the G4/R14 (general view, engine diagram, general dimensions calculation and calculations of the "Schnelle Spitze" [its new nosecone]).
I hope this helps.
Cheers,
Athpilot

 

[Forsker]

Great. The drawings give an idea of the size of these rockets. The author had to follow the drawings from the link I gave at the beginning post. I think that more drawings are not generally available. Perhaps they are still uncovered in some archives.