General Dynamics (Convair) VTOL/VSTOL/STOL projects

[overscan (PaulMM)]

General Dynamics "Jiminy Cricket"

 

[Tomac]

I'd like to add one into the mix. This came from a 1962 Air Progress magazine and shows a General Dynamics "GETOL" (Ground Effext Take Off and Landing) craft. Anyone here ever hear of such a thing?

-- John

 

[Triton]

Is this the Convair 200? About year was this concept?

 

[Jemiba]

Aviation Week published this artist impression in 1977 .

 

[Triton]

Aviation Week published this artist impression in 1977 .

Thanks Jemiba. ;D

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

For Convair Model 200 info see:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,103.0/highlight,convair+200.html

 

[Triton]

For Convair Model 200 info see:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,103.0/highlight,convair+200.html

Thank you very much overscan. Wow there is a lot of great information in this forum. ;D

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710006223_1971006223.pdf

 

[codeone]

We posted a more detailed drawing of the six-engine, swing-wing Jiminy Cricket today . Drawing is dated April 1965. Enjoy.

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/gallery_slideshow.html?item_id=2256

--C1

 

[hesham]

We posted a more detailed drawing of the six-engine, swing-wing Jiminy Cricket today . Drawing is dated April 1965. Enjoy.

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/gallery_slideshow.html?item_id=2256

--C1

Codeone,You can put it here.

 

[Stargazer]

Codeone,You can put it here.

No, hesham. He can of course, but his goal is for people to visit the Lockheed Martin site.
If lots of people visit, they justify the existence of the whole historical section of the site.
But if you take their pics and post them here, people will not bother visiting anymore!

(I have removed the pic from your post, hesham, sorry).

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Agreed. You could possibly post a small copy here to encourage visit to see the full image. Note this is not the same design however - its 17 years older, swing wing where the other is fixed wing, and different in many ways.

 

[codeone]

Thanks for explaining why we like people to visit our site for these images. No problem with posting thumbnails here. We are posting these drawings at twice the usual 1200-pixel (max) max size to show more detail.


Best,


--C1

 

[AN/AWW-14(V)]

Convair Vertiliner

https://flic.kr/p/2kH4JDb

 

[fightingirish]

More pictures of the model Convair Vertiliner:

Flickr Search — “Convair Vertiliner”

www.flickr.com

Without the VTOL engine pods the model reminds me of a mini DC-10.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Hi,

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710006223_1971006223.pdf

 

[hesham]

I will search about this report,maybe I will find it in my files ?.

 

[fightingirish]

Hi,

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710006223_1971006223.pdf

See page 25 of 213 of the following paper "Control power requirements of VTOL aircraft, phase 1 study Final report, Apr. 1969 - Sep. 1970".
Better links:

Control power requirements of VTOL aircraft, phase 1 study Final report, Apr. 1969 - Sep. 1970 - NASA Technical Reports Server (NTRS)

Control power requirements of VTOL aircraft

ntrs.nasa.gov

PDF:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19710006223/downloads/19710006223.pdf

Metadata:

Control power requirements of VTOL aircraft, phase 1 study Final report, Apr. 1969 - Sep. 1970
Control power requirements of VTOL aircraft
Document ID: 19710006223
Document Type: Contractor Report (CR)
Authors:
Hoffman, M. A. (California Univ. Davis, CA, United States)
Loscutoff, W. V. (California Univ. Davis, CA, United States)
Seevers, J. (California Univ. Davis, CA, United States)
Date Acquired: August 6, 2013
Publication Date: November 1, 1970
Subject Category: AIRCRAFT
Report/Patent Number: NASA-CR-115907
Funding Number(s): CONTRACT_GRANT: NGR-05-004-051
Distribution Limits: Public
Copyright: Work of the US Gov. Public Use Permitted.

 

[aim9xray]

If I could post a polite request to anyone delving into NTRS searches and posting the results? Could you please post some metasearchable data in addition to a direct link?

All of Hesham's previous links into NTRS are unusable due to the interface change (as seen above) aka "link rot".

Posting a couple of crumbs in your posting to enter into the search engine would be most helpful when they change the query interface (again). These might be the title or the document or report number (TM X-, or RM, or CR- or similar).

Thanks in advance!

 

[fightingirish]

Hi folks,
I haven't found the right model number and topic so far.
IMHO, i presume it as a prequel to the Convair Model 49 Advanced Aerial Fire Support System.

23_0006540 Convair Negative Image
Piction ID:86235355--VTOL experiment 06/17/1968-Please tag these photos so information can be recorded.---- Digitization of this image made possible by a grant from NEH: NEH and the San Diego Air and Space Museum

https://flic.kr/p/2oRFAom

View: https://flic.kr/p/2oRFAom

 

[hesham]

From Naval Air System Command 1975,

a hypothetical design.

 

[hesham]

What was this ?.

https://flic.kr/p/2oRGEop

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53070983355/in/photolist-2oRGEop-2oBg2NE-2oB9i5h-2oBb7Qv-2oBb86F-2oBcfmK-2oBb7Jd-2oB9i5s-2oRFAom-2oB9i4A-2oBcZYn-2oBecPf-2oBg37R-2oBg2qf-2oBgnP9-2oBg2wn-2oBg2D6-2oBeP8L-2oBe3EV-2oBgnQS-2oBb86a-2oBePeh-2oBgnmF-7Zu1kC-7ZqPrv-2oBe3Lg-2oBg2gx-2kN3F91-6nw6FB-9iZ3SQ-7HJhXZ-ds1hUD-2p5dDKR-bZR7uh-DJQQqV-bZR2H5-bZR2eJ-bZR2fJ-bZR2h7-bZR5w1-x9KZ6w-SFeWwW-SFeWJj-zs8LEC-SFeW3j-T4JVRi-x9LtY1-ecBoDu-zs8L7d-yMSEsZ

 

[Arjen]

Flickr caption:

23_0006545 Convair Negative Image

Piction ID:86235295--Concept art VTOL and LIT 08/19/1968-Please tag these photos so information can be recorded.---- Digitization of this image made possible by a grant from NEH: NEH and the San Diego Air and Space Museum

Clues:
- Convair
- San Diego Air and Space Museum (SDASM)

Search for SDASM images with search parameter 'convair vtol' at

SDASM Archives

Explore SDASM Archives’s 396,176 photos on Flickr!

www.flickr.com

 

[moin1900]

CONVAIR MODEL 49 AAFSS

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/convair-model-49-advanced-aerial-fire-support-system.6188/

ADVANCED DESTROYER DRONE - ADD

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/ducted-fan-aircraft.4015/post-97089

https://flic.kr/p/2q8iPdr

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53903946181

https://flic.kr/p/2q8m4rb

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53904384240

https://flic.kr/p/2q8kCtp

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53904300269

https://flic.kr/p/2q8kCtV

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53904300299

https://flic.kr/p/2q8iPAL

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53903947476

https://flic.kr/p/2q8m4Qn

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53904385585


CONVAIR LALO

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/tethered-and-hovering-observation-flight-platforms.11611/

https://flic.kr/p/2q8iNN8

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53903944771

https://flic.kr/p/2qbmTY3

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53938496990

 

[Antonio]

What was this ?.

https://flic.kr/p/2oRGEop

View: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/53070983355/in/photolist-2oRGEop-2oBg2NE-2oB9i5h-2oBb7Qv-2oBb86F-2oBcfmK-2oBb7Jd-2oB9i5s-2oRFAom-2oB9i4A-2oBcZYn-2oBecPf-2oBg37R-2oBg2qf-2oBgnP9-2oBg2wn-2oBg2D6-2oBeP8L-2oBe3EV-2oBgnQS-2oBb86a-2oBePeh-2oBgnmF-7Zu1kC-7ZqPrv-2oBe3Lg-2oBg2gx-2kN3F91-6nw6FB-9iZ3SQ-7HJhXZ-ds1hUD-2p5dDKR-bZR7uh-DJQQqV-bZR2H5-bZR2eJ-bZR2fJ-bZR2h7-bZR5w1-x9KZ6w-SFeWwW-SFeWJj-zs8LEC-SFeW3j-T4JVRi-x9LtY1-ecBoDu-zs8L7d-yMSEsZ

Concept art VTOL and LIT 08/19/1968

Light Intra Theatre competition

 

[hesham]

Concept art VTOL and LIT 08/19/1968

Light Intra Theatre competition

That's right my dear Antonio,

it's GD/Canadair CL-284 variant,as I guess ?.

 

[Antonio]

it's GD/Canadair CL-284 variant,as I guess ?.

Most probably

Canadair/GD CL-284-1A11 (from Scott Lowther's APR) can be seen on Page 110 at American Secret Projects Vol 3 US Airlifters since 1962 George Cox and Craig Easton Ed Crecy

 

[hesham]

Most probably

Canadair/GD CL-284-1A11 (from Scott Lowther's APR) can be seen on Page 110 at American Secret Projects Vol 3 US Airlifters since 1962 George Cox and Craig Easton Ed Crecy

I have this book my dear Antonio,

and we can identify it exactly if we know its SOR or TS number,and I suspect in SOR-222,if so,I
possibly call it CL-84H or CL-84J,as another proposal to the same competition.