Gabardini/CANSA Designations

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Gabardini/CANSA Aircraft Designations

After designing a radical catamaran flying boat in France in 1910, Giuseppe Gabardini returned to Italy in 1912 and set up Aeroplani Gabardini at Taliedo. In Dec 1913, Gabardini took over the Cameri facilities of AVIS (Ateliers Voisin Italie Septentrionale) and opened a flying school (Aeroplani Gabardini-Officine e scuola di volo-Aerodromo Cameri). To provide that school with training machines, Gabardini began the Società Anonima Gabardini per l'Incremento dell' Aviazione (or simply the 'Società Incremento Aviazione') in 1916.

Early Gabardini designs don't seem to have proper designations, receiving generic descriptive names like Monoplano, Idrovolante, Alpi, etc. The 1914 Gabardini Biplano was later designated as the G.3 (likely applied retroactively). According to Federico Filippi (WWI Aero, #153, Aug 1996), Gabardini first applied designation numbers in 1917. So, it seems plausible that Gabardini began his numbering system with his 1910 flying boat and the Monoplano variants (as 'G.1' and 'G.2') even if such designations were never actually used publicly.

The known 'G' series runs from G.3 to G.9 but then seems to be abandoned for the Gabardini Lictor cabin monoplane. The aircraft has numbers assigned to indicate horsepower (a common practice with earlier Gabardini designs) but no 'G' number ever seems to have been applied. (As a name for an aircraft, Lictor was an odd choice, being a Roman magistrate's guard in classical times.)

Gabardini designations are listed below. I've included links to images for some types.

After Giuseppe Gabardini died in 1936, the Cameri works were absorbed by Fiat and became CANSA (Costruzioni Aeronautiche Novaresi Società Anonima or the Aeronautical Construction Company of Novaresi). CANSA designations are listed after the Gabardi types.

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Gabardini/CANSA Aircraft Designations

Società Anonima Gabardini Designation Anomolies

The first two 'designations' are common references for aircraft types rebuilt or modified by Gabardini. A puzzle is the 'Gabardini Standard' (I-AYGB) listed by Golden Years.

Gabardini HD - Hanriot HD.1 used at the Scuola Aviazione di Cameri
- HD: As with A.300s, probably mod. a/c, not built by Gabardini
-- http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Soliani/1696.htm

Gabardini A.300/6 - 3-seat recce biplane, mod. Ansaldo A.300/4*
-- Gabardini modified 50 x existing 3-seat A.300/4 airframes

Società Anonima Gabardini Aircraft Designations

Gabardini Hydravion* - 1910 monoplane flying boat, 1 x 50 hp Anzani 3-cyl
-- * aka 'Monaco-monoplano'
- Hydravion: Catamaran hull, variable-incidence wing, tractor propeller
-- http://www.flickr.com/photos/amphalon/8389186785/in/set-72157603137921947

Gabardini Monoplano - 1913 'Gabarda' 1-/2-seat monoplane trainer
- Monoplano 'Checca' ('Gay'): Ground trainer, 9.0 m span
- 'Checca': Single or dual control (DC), various engine types*
-- http://www.asso4stormo.it/arc_02/arc_02_01/Costigliolo_cos/cos009.jpg
-- * Codes = hp: 35 hp Anzani, 45 hp Anzani, 80 hp Gnome (DC-80)
-- * 'Checca' 35 HP: 35 hp Anzani 3-cyl, fuselage codes 35-xx
-- http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/04-Others/Janes/Gabardini-3.jpg
-- http://www.circolodel53.it/Immagini/Storiche/Una-Checca-della-Scuola-di-.jpg
-- * 'Checca' 45 HP: 45 hp Anzani 3-cyl, fuselage codes 45-xx
-- http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj311/aquilius-files/Rumpelkiste/Cameri1916.jpg
-- * 'Checca' DC-80: Doppio Comando, 80 hp Gnome, fuse. codes 80-xx
- Monoplano ground trainer: Gimballed, unpowered captive simulator
-- http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/04-Others/Janes/Gabardini-1.jpg
- Monoplano Scuola (School): 2-seat 11.3 m span, 50 hp Gnome
-- http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/04-Others/Janes/Gabardini-2.jpg
- Monoplano Vuolo (Flight): 1-/2-seat, 10.5 m span, 80 hp Gnome
-- http://www.asso4stormo.it/arc_02/arc_02_01/Costigliolo_cos/Cos008.jpg
- Idrovolante: 1913 'Gabarda' on twin, wooden float gear, x 2
- Tipo Alpi: Post-war 'Gabarda' 2-seat trainer, 1 x 110 hp Le Rhone

Gabardini G.2 - 1913, possibly same as Monoplano/Idrovolante
-- see Reply #9, below

Gabardini G.3 - 1914 'Biplano' 1-/2-seat biplane trainer, 7.2 m span
- G.3 : 50 hp Gnôme
- G.3 : 80 hp Le Rhône
- G.3 : 110 hp Le Rhône
-- Name 'Gabar-de' is list online (confusion with 'Gabarda'?)

Gabardini G.4 - 1924 single-seat biplane trainer, various engines
- Gabardini G.4: Single-seat vers. 1 x 80 hp Gnome rotary
-- http://www.asso4stormo.it/arc_02/arc_02_03/Bersani_ber/ber112.jpg
- Gabardini G-4 bis: Single-seat vers. 1 x 120 hp Le Rhone
- Gabardini G-4 bis dc: 'Doppio Comando' dual-control 2-seater
-- http://www.asso4stormo.it/arc_02/arc_02_03/Bersani_ber/Ber119.jpg

Gabardini G.5 series - biplane advanced trainer, x 15 (G.50 and G.51)
- G.5 : (eg I-AWAW)
- G.50: Single-seat biplane, aka G.50 mc (monocomando), 7.2m span
-- http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Soliani/1726.htm
- G.51: Single-seat biplane, 1 x 80 hp Le Rhône 9C rotary
- G.51 bis: Single-seat biplane, 1 x 110 hp Le Rhône 9J
-- http://www.asso4stormo.it/arc_02/arc_02_01/Costigliolo_cos/Cos014.jpg
- G.51 dc: 'Doppio Comando' scuola type, 1 x 50 hp Gnome
-- http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/04-Others/Janes/Gabardini_B-3.jpg

Gabardini G.6: 2-seat biplane advanced trainer, 1 x 120 hp Le Rhone

Gabardini G.7 - 2-seat biplane trainer,
-- 1928 trainer comp. (against Breda Ba.15, Bonomi B-2, CAB C.4, CRDA Cant 26, Fiat AS.1, Macchi M.70, Piaggio P.9, Romeo Ro.5, and the winning Caproni Ca.100 'Caproncino')

Gabardini G.8 - 1923 1-seat biplane trainer/fighter, 8.34 m span
- G.8 trainer: unarmed, 1 x 140 hp Hispano-Suiza 8A V8
Unarmed version with lower-rated engine
- G.8 fighter: 2 x 7.7mm Vickers mgs, 1 x 200 hp HS 8A V-8
- G.8bis: 1 x 180 hp HS 34, rev. rad., long-span lower wing
-- http://www.asso4stormo.it/arc_02/arc_02_03/Bersani_ber/ber114.jpg

Gabardini G.9 - 1923 single-seat biplane fighter, 7 m span
- G.9: 1 x 200 hp SPA 6a inline, equal span, low cabanes
-- http://www.circolodel53.it/Immagini/Storiche/Pubblicazione-del-1925.jpg
- G.9bis: 1 x 300 hp HS.42 V-8, long cabanes & u/c legs
-- G.9bis later aerodynamic revision by Ing. F Zappata

Gabardini Lictor - 1935 low-wing monoplane cabin tourer, 11.43m span
-- Lictor series designed by Ing. Mario Bottini (later of SAIMAN)
- Lictor 90 : 1 x 90 hp Fiat A.50S 7-cyl radial, x 1 (MM.345)
-- http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Soliani/1750.htm
- Lictor 130: 130 hp Alfa Romeo 110 4-cyl inline, x 1 (MM.304)
-- http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Soliani/1752.htm

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[Apophenia]

CANSA (Costruzioni Aeronautiche Novaresi SA)
-- aka Fiat Cameri or Fiat CANSA

After producing Gabardini G.8s, CANSA starts its own designation series although it doesn't appear to be particularly sequential. This is a simple 'C' for 'Cameri' (or, less likely, CANSA) but later there was 'FC' and 'CT' (as in the CANSA CT.24 transport glider design). Meanings for both acronyms are a mystery to me. 'FC' may simply be for 'Fiat Cameri' (or 'Fiat-CANSA'). 'CT', I assume, stood for 'CANSA Trasporto' (although CANSA didn't apply such role designators to its other designs).

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Costruzioni Aeronautiche Novaresi S.A. (CANSA)

CANSA Aircraft Designation Series

CANSA C.1-C.3 -- (??)

CANSA C.3 -- 1939(?) Pinguino landing instructor trainer
- C.3: Tandem 2-seat parasol; by ing Giacomo Mosso*
- C.3: (??) no other details
-- * CANSA's Technical Director and Vice Director-General

CANSA C.4 - 1942 low-wing monoplane tourer/trainer, 12.12m span
- C.4: Tandem 2-seat open cockpits, 1 x 90 hp CANSA C.80 4-cyl.

CANSA C.4 - 1942 low-wing monoplane tourer/training aircraft
- C.4: 1 x 90 hp CANSA C.80 4-cylinder engine; span 12.12 m
- C.4: Tandem 2-seat open cockpits

CANSA C.5 - 1939 biplane trainer, designed by Ugo Graneri*
-- * Other sources say C.5 design was by Giacomo Mosso
-- C.5 used to train civilian pilots head for Regia Aeronautica
- C.5: Single-seat version, 1 x 85 hp Fiat A.50; span 8.50 m
- C.5B: 2-seat version, 1 x 85 hp Fiat A.50 7-cylinder radial
- C.5B/1: 2-seat variant, 1 x 120 hp Alfa Romeo 110 inline

CANSA C.6 - 1940 training biplane, 1 x 280 hp IF Beta RC.10
- C.6 : 1-seat prototype, x 1, aka 'Falchetto' (Young Falcon)
- C.6: 1 x 280 hp Isotta Fraschini Beta RC.10 4-cyl.; span 8.65 m
-- C.6 designed by Giacomo Mosso and Isidoro Martignago
- C.6B: 2-seat prototype, x 1 (but 3 x MM serials assigned*)
-- * CANSA C.6 serials assigned: MM.474, MM.475, MM.486

CANSA C.7-C.10 - (??)

CANSA FC.11 - (Project) 1940 biplane aerobatic trainer
- FC.6: 1 x 280 hp Isotta Fraschini Beta RC.10 4-cyl.; span (??) m
- FC.11: To 1940 comp. (Ba.92, CV.3, Ca.214, Ca.602, Ro.71)

CANSA FC.12 - 1939-40 advanced trainer monoplane, x 1
- FC.12: 1 x 600 hp Fiat A.30 RA bis V-12; span 11.00 m
- FC.12: Mod. as divebomber ('a tuffo') trainer w/ dive brakes

CANSA C.13 - (??)

CANSA FC.14 - (Project) attack aircraft derived from FC.12

CANSA C.15-C.17 - (??)

CANSA FC.18 - Dec 1940 aerodynamic model tests at Guidonia
- FC.18: Poss. (Project) 1940 single-seat fighter-trainer aircraft
-- If true, likely low-power FC.12 deriv. up against Breda Ba.204
-- http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3542.msg36910.html

CANSA C.19 - (??)

CANSA FC.20 - 1941 recce bomber developed as attack a/c
-- FC.20/20bis: 2 x 840 hp Fiat A.74 RC.38s; 16.00 m span
- FC.20: Prototype, long nose reconnaissance bomber
- FC.20bis: 'Distruttore', Breda 37/54 cannon, dorsal turret
- FC.20ter: 2 x 1,000 hp Fiat A.80 RC.41 18-cyl radials
- FC.20quater: FC.20bis conv., 2 x 1,250 hp DB 601A V-12s

CANSA C.21- (??)

FC.22 - (Project) Mid-winged push-pull combat aircraft
- FC.22 : Crew in nose; dihedral tails/twin fins/rudders
- FC.22 : 4 x 750 (?) hp I-F Delta IV-12s;* span (??) m
-- * Arranged in 2 x push-pull nacelles with main u/c
- FC.22A: Intended as dive bomber & torpedo bomber

CANSA C.23 - (??)

CANSA CT.24 - (Project) 1942 troop-carrying glider
- CT.24 : 2,500 kg payload; (??) no other details
- CT.24: Ordered but not built, assigned MM.523 & MM.524

CANSA CT.25 - (Project) 194? gilder divebomber
- CT.25 : Prone pilot's position; mid-winged; span 7.80 m
- CT.25 : 1 x 500 kg torpedo or bomb on ventral rack
-/ https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/cansa-glider-dive-bomber-jpg.174710/

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[hesham]

As we always see,a very great work my dear Apophenia,


CANSA single seat glider dive bomber project is here;


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17595.0.html

 

[Apophenia]

Thanks Hesham. A pity that no designation is listed for that prone-pilot divebomber glider. Perhaps in the C.21-C.23 range ???

 

[hesham]

Yes my dear Apphenia,


and may be carried CT suffix.

 

[wieesso]

Sorry, for reawakening this thread - but there is so much confusion about the proper type of aircraft - it's a Gabardini, but which type?
These are the only two images I know!
http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=186207&stc=1&d=1278244589
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tXVSscmMb2g/UvbRoUpiwDI/AAAAAAAAP48/LH2txodudos/s1600/IRennella+recibe+valija+-latac.jpg
Some sources mention "Alpi 1" other "Alpi 2" - an Ecuadorian website mentions the aircraft "NAPO" had 120 hp!
Over to you! Would be nice to clarify this! Thanks in advance!

Martin

 

[hesham]

Hi Wieesso,


hard to say,but I will check.

 

[Maveric]

Hi,
I believe it is the Gabardini G.4.
Maveric

 

[wieesso]

...would also tend to G.4 - thanks Maveric...
by the way - there was a second aircraft beside "NAPO" called "TARQUI" - I'm interested to see images of it!

edit: ...maybe it exists only a short time - according to this (sorry only in Spanish)

"Mientras el Cap. Traversari exhibía sus dotes de piloto en el cielo de Quito, haciendo acrobacias con el “TARQUI”, el motor decidió jubilarse y se apagó. El piloto intentó inútilmente recuperar el control del aparato, pero solo logró reducir la violencia del impacto que le procuró un grave trauma al tórax, al cuello y a la mandíbula; los mecánicos llenaron algunas fundas de basura con los pedazos del avión y se quedaron con un reducido trabajo de manutención."
http://afe-filateliaecuador.blogspot.de/2014/02/como-para-ciertas-senoras-el-maquillaje.html

To say it short, it crashed soon after delivery!

wieesso

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a Gabardini G.2 drawing with info.

 

[Apophenia]

Thanks Hesham. According to those captions, the Garabaldi Type 2 is the same thing as the Monoplano with 80 hp "Gnome Rhone" (sic). Since this aircraft was converted into a twin float seaplane in October 1913 to participate in the Circuito del Laghi (Circuit of the Lakes), that also infers that the G.2 is the same as the Idrovolante 'Gabarda'. According to the caption, this floatplane conversion was not very successful, being considered under-developed.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Apophenia.

 

[hesham]

From Aerei Italani 1914-1918,my dear Aopohenia,

maybe this Infos will help us to now more about Gabardini early aeroplanes.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

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[hesham]

CANSA FC.18 - Dec 1940 aerodynamic model tests at Guidonia
-- http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3542.msg36910.html

I think I get it,

FC.18 was a single seat fighter-trainer aircraft project of 1940,with low power engine,probably based on FC.12,intended to compete Breda Ba.204.

 

[Apophenia]

FC.18 was a single seat fighter-trainer aircraft project of 1940,with low power engine,probably based on FC.12,intended to compete Breda Ba.204.

That is plausible. The FC.12 was, itself, originally intended as a 2-seat advanced trainer for fighter pilots.

 

[hesham]

FC.18 was a single seat fighter-trainer aircraft project of 1940,with low power engine,probably based on FC.12,intended to compete Breda Ba.204.

That is plausible. The FC.12 was, itself, originally intended as a 2-seat advanced trainer for fighter pilots.

Yes,but it was already built in 1939,and that compeition was in 1940,and main tenders
were, Breda Ba.204 & Ba.206,CANSA FC.18 ? ,and also Caproni-Vizzola C.V.4 ?!.

Please add FC.22A,it was a four engined dive bomber and torpedo bomber project;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/cansa-fc-22a.20144/#post-314892

 

[Apophenia]

Yes,but it was already built in 1939,and that compeition was in 1940...

I wasn't saying otherwise. Simply pointing out that, since the FC.12 was originally meant as a 2-seat trainer, you're suggestion of an FC.12-derived (or -inspired) FC.18 single-seat trainer was entirely plausible.

FC.22 is added.

 

[hesham]

CANSA single seat glider dive bomber project is here;


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17595.0.html

It was called CT-25,sure,not speculation.

 

[Apophenia]

It was called CT-25,sure,not speculation.

Excellent! Thanks hesham.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Regarding the CANSA CT.25:

CANSA CT.25: Guarda, Mamma, Senza Motore!!

This desperate dive-torpedo bomber was designed by Giacomo Mosso of CANSA in 1942/43, near the Italian surrender. Simple in design, the pilot was placed in a prone position to withstand the dive bo…

elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com

 

[hesham]

Hi,

C.3 Pinguino was a tandem two-seat parasol-wing monoplane,with a particular trolley with various
wheels different diameters to teach students to land in the most difficult conditions

 

[Apophenia]

Fabulous ... thanks hesham! Do you have a source for those details?

I noticed that, while still under Rosatelli at Fiat (c.1935-1936), Mosso "realizzò il progetto di un aereo da addestramento biposto in tandem". That's a pretty vague description but that projected tandem 2-seat trainer concept might just refer to one of the later, built CANSA types - the C.3 or C.4 (the C.5. was, of course, a revised FL.5).

-- https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Mosso

 

[hesham]

It's; Ali Di Gloria N.41.

 

[lucamax]

Dear friends,
here the 3-view of the CANSA F.C. 22A (source Gente dell'Aria Vol. 3 - Giorgio Evangelisti).
The drawings are dated 1941 and the aircraft was a 4-engined torpedo and dive bomber equipped with 4 Isotta Fraschini Delta R.C. 40 (max speed without bombs 585 km/h).
Armament: 1 machine gun of 7.7 mm, 1 machine gun of 12,8 mm, 2 heavy machine gun of 20 mm (not know if all together or not), plus 2 torpedoes of 850 kg, or 2 bombs of 800 kg.
No more info...
Cheers.