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In the 30s, the French Air Ministry never launched official competition for High altitude planes.
This is mainly due to the fact that the purpose of technical programs was to allocate funding for research, studies, prototypes in some cases, but above all to put manufacturers in competition to provide aircraft in the categories whose needs were defined by users.
In the 1930s, in France, priority was given to rearmament in the face of the rise of Nazism. Technical programs were therefore geared towards primarily classic categories, to renew the aging aircraft fleet.This explains the low support for inventors proposing new ideas. Most of the funding had to go into renewing the bomber and fighter fleets, and to a lesser extent training or service aircraft. Transport and connections were often forgotten.

However, many French manufacturers launched their own funds into the study of high-altitude aircraft projects. Two areas in particular have been the subject of numerous studies: sealed cabins and the power supply of stratospheric engines. All these proposals were made "out of program". Sometimes, few of them were attached to other programes, such as the NC.110 and NC.140 for A20 program (category B5).

I attach a first attempt to establish a list of such out-of-program projects.
Few of them were reactivated during WW2, such as VG.50 and Breguet 1011, facing new projects launched during Occupation period: SO.30, SO.3020, and SE.015 that became SE.1000.
 

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The most important contribution on high altitude research of the 30s was Farman, then SNCAC after nationalization end of 1936. They built various prototypes and demonstrators, and proposed several projects: Farman 1000, 1001, 1002, NC.110, 130, 140, 150. They continued during Occupation period with SO.3020, that became after war the NC.3021 "Belphégor" with German engine.
 

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My dear Philippe,

I know many VG.50 concepts,but what was that exactly ?,I can't find it in my collection.
 
- The 1930s were a time of technological progress and intense competition among aircraft manufacturers.

Prestige came from breaking aviation records such distance, altitude and speed.

In September 1932 a Vickers Vespa biplane reached an altitude of 13,408 meters.

Fifteen months later a Potez 506 managed to climb to 13,661 meters.

In April 1934 a Caproni Ca.113 modified with extended wingspan reached an altitude of 14,433 meters.

These early attempts were made using biplanes with high climbing power and supercharged radial engines that at the time were lighter than the classic V-12s.

The pilots were seated in open cockpits using oxygen via a face mask.

In 1937 experimental pressure suits began to be used, on May 8 a Caproni Ca.161 reached 15,655 meters absolute ceiling and a Bristol Type 138 managed to climb to 16,440 meters, powered by one Bristol Pegasus S, on June 30.

But all aeronautical designers knew that the future of aviation lay in pressurized cabins.

The pressurized Farman F.1000 Series monoplanes had been designed to fly at 20,000 meters, but the test program was cancelled after the F.1001 crashed on August 5, 1935. The pressurization system failed at 10,000 meters altitude, killing the pilot.

The Germans had made a great progress since their 12,740 m altitude reached by the Junkers Ju 34 in 1929. The Junkers Ju 49ba fitted with pressure cabin, flew at 14,000 meters (just a month after the F.1001 crash) powered by one L-88a V-12 engine with two-stage supercharger.

Since then Junkers continued its experiments, taking a number of patents on devices in connection with sub-stratospheric flying.

These flights had resulted in invaluable data in pressurization systems and improved superchargers.

The experience gained with the Ju 49ba was used in the construction of the Junkers EF 61 sub-stratospheric bomber, capable of carrying four SC 250 bombs at 15,000 meters altitude, sufficient to render it immune from interception.
 

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NC.150, with pressure cabin and central, engine-driven supercharger:
 

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The main project of Marius Vernisse, nominated director of the Arsenal de l'Aéronautique the 7th May 1936, was to build a high power engine by coupling two existing ones. He personnally filed multiple patents about this particular topic. He obtained an order in January 1937 for a first prototype of the VG.10 single-seat fighter with such coupled engines. In June, Arsenal received a new order for 25 VG.20 twin-seat variant. Unfortunately, these two projects were abandonned in 1938, mainly due to the impossibility to support the total engine power with the planned wooden structure designed by Jean Galtier. In parallel, Louis Pichon successfully continued the tests with coupled Hispano-Suiza 12Y, waiting the availability of more powerful 12Z.

Vernisse then asked Robert Badie to design a metallic structure for the single-seat fighter, which bacame the VB.10, and in parallel, he asked Jean Galtier to design a high altitude demonstrator with two pairs of coupled engines and a pressurized cabin. As Galtier was very busy on VG.30 fighter family, this demonstrator progressed slowly.

After Villacoublay bombing the 3rd June 1940, The Arsenal evacuated to Clermont-Ferrand, and then to Léguevin, close to Toulouse. Finally, in November 1940, they moved to Villeurbanne, close to Lyon, and Arsenal became AEA (Atelier d'Etudes Aéronautiques). They proposed their high altitude demonstrator as civil project to the Franco-German programs, and received begining of 1941 the official authorization under Study number 53, with designation VG.50.
 

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The main project of Marius Vernisse, nominated director of the Arsenal de l'Aéronautique the 7th May 1936, was to build a high power engine by coupling two existing ones. He personnally filed multiple patents about this particular topic. He obtained an order in January 1937 for a first prototype of the VG.10 single-seat fighter with such coupled engines. In June, Arsenal received a new order for 25 VG.20 twin-seat variant. Unfortunately, these two projects were abandonned in 1938, mainly due to the impossibility to support the total engine power with the planned wooden structure designed by Jean Galtier. In parallel, Louis Pichon successfully continued the tests with coupled Hispano-Suiza 12Y, waiting the availability of more powerful 12Z.

Vernisse then asked Robert Badie to design a metallic structure for the single-seat fighter, which bacame the VB.10, and in parallel, he asked Jean Galtier to design a high altitude demonstrator with two pairs of coupled engines and a pressurized cabin. As Galtier was very busy on VG.30 fighter family, this demonstrator progressed slowly.

After Villacoublay bombing the 3rd June 1940, The Arsenal evacuated to Clermont-Ferrand, and then to Léguevin, close to Toulouse. Finally, in November 1940, they moved to Villeurbanne, close to Lyon, and Arsenal became AEA (Atelier d'Etudes Aéronautiques). They proposed their high altitude demonstrator as civil project to the Franco-German programs, and received begining of 1941 the official authorization under Study number 53, with designation VG.50.

Many thanks,but was that the same of ASM.6 or not ?,because I don't have this variant in my list !.
 
Many thanks,but was that the same of ASM.6 or not ?,because I don't have this variant in my list !.
I don't know how to answer to this question: yes... and no!
The designation VG.50 covers two wide families of projects, from 1937 to 1949. Initially, this designation was used for projects in the single-seat fighter familly, with racer variants, started in 1937 and abandonned in 1939 or 1940. As I explained above, it was re-assigned to the 4-engine generic demonstrator family during years, with various proposed usages: civil during Occupation (passenger transport, stratospheric exploration, fret, mail, transatlantic, etc.), military after Liberation (bomber, reconnaissance, maritime patrol, anti-submarine, etc.).

The ASM.6 project (anti-submarine) is one of the last proposed adaptation of this 4-engine demonstrator proposed in 1946 and abandonned in 1949. They are all using the same basis, and they are all different in their various usage, equipment and design.
 
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On 23 October 1934 an Italian experimental seaplane named Macchi M.C.72 surpassed the flying speed of 700 Km/h thus obtaining an absolute record for airplanes of its class that has never been improved until today.

The secret of this success was in the power plant: a 2,850 hp Fiat A.S.6 of 24 cylinder double V-12 piston engine, essentially two V-12 engines in tandem (joined by a single crankshaft) each driving one of the two contra/rotating propellers via a coaxial shaft.

Although the idea of coupled engines finally proved to be inefficient in practice, it was seriously considered for military purposes during the years previous to the World War II.

When Italians tried the mass production the Fiat A38 RI C15/45 engine (the military version of the AS.6) to propel the Fiat G.50 fighter, they encountered unsolvable manufacturing and maintenance problems due to the complexity of the design. This forced them to cancel the programme in July 1941.

Same situation was lived by North Americans with their enormous Chrysler XIV-2220 to be used as the power plant for an advanced version of the P-47 Thunderbolt and that was necessary to cancel due to excessive vibration.

The Germans abandoned their work in the V16 engines for the same reason, the design of a V16 variant of the DB 603, known as DB 609, was started in September 1942. It was a 16 cylinder and 2,500 hp engine, which prototype showed serious problems of vibration, when tested in the Focke-Wulf 190 V19 prototype, due to the excessive length of the crankshaft. The result of their efforts on the development of side-by-side coupled engines was the DB 606, 610 and 613 which operational use in the Heinkel He 177 bombers was a maintenance nightmare, with several accidents and fires due to overheating of the engines.

The British also failed with the 2,000 hp Rolls-Royce Vulture. It was a 24 cylinders in ‘X’ engine formed by two R.R. Peregrine of 12 Cylinders in ‘V’ (one normal and one inverted) married to a common crankshaft with which they expected to power the Hawker Tornado fighter. The project was cancelled in 1940 in favour of the Hawker Typhoon propelled by the more conventional Napier Sabre engine.


The French designers also tried their own solution to the problem. The most imaginative was doubtless the used by Roland Payen in his experimental light fighter Pa.112 C1. It used two Salmson AD-9 radial engines in a face to face position to drive a common gearbox. This was a transmisión électrique Cotal which employed epicyclical internals and an electrical gear change control by means of electromagnetic clutches. Originally designed for high performance cars, this system actuated over a coaxial shaft located over the engines, through which a 20 mm. gun could be fired simultaneously serving to move the propellers. A unique case of moteur-canon using radial engines!

A bit more conventional was the system of engines in tandem designed during the German occupation by the engineer Michel Vernisse. It was to power the Arsenal VB.10 fighter by using two Hispano-Suiza H.S. 12Z engines. One of them was installed in the nose of the airplane and the other in the central section of the fuselage. Both were connected to each other by a power shaft that went under the pilot seat, like in the Bell P-39 Airacobra. Excessive vibrations were removed by the device known as joint homocinétique.

In 1942 the Latécoère 299A was built to test the system by modifying a Latécoére dive bomber in which two standard 860 hp H.S.12-Y-31 were connected by a power shaft.

The prototype was destroyed in an accident without ever having flown, but the ground tests performed were satisfactory enough to approve the construction of the V.10.

The Germans were not interested in the Latécoère 299A, at that time, they had already dropped their own DB 615 system, with two DB 603 engines connected in tandem.

The appearance of the first jet fighters made the VB.10 obsolete and it was decided to use it as transition airplane during the first years of the post war, until the time when the new French jet fighters were available.

However, the programme was cancelled in 1948 due to different accidents with the prototypes and pre-production airplanes.

Several variants of the VB.10, about which very little is known, were proposed during the war. One of them was a naval fighter designed in 1944. Another was named VB.15 and was to be propelled by two German Jumo 213 engines.

Arsenal VB.10 technical data

Power plant: two 860 hp Hispano-Suiza H.S. 12 Y-31, 12-cylinder ‘V’, liquid-cooled engines or two 1,150 hp H.S. 12 Z Ars 15/16, wingspan: 50.8 ft (15.49 m), length: 42.6 ft (12.98 m), height: 17 ft (5.2 m), wing area: 382 sq.ft. (35.5 sq.m), maximum weight: 21,737 lbs (9,860 kg), maximum speed: 435 mph. (700 kph), climb rate: 2,008 ft/min, armament: four wing-mounted H.S.404 cannon of 20 mm with 150 rounds per gun.



The Soviets acquired the manufacturing license of the H.S.12 Ybrs as Klimov M-103 A. In 1939 they began the construction of the Bolkhovitinov S-2, a fast bomber powered by two M-103 engines connected in tandem by a transmission system like the Vernisse. On 20 March 1940 the prototype was flown reaching 570 kph top speed. After the German attack the development of the S-2 was interrupted because of the priority given to the manufacture of the Petlyakov Pe-2 bomber.

In October 1940, after analysing the new combat tactics used in Europe, the Kawasaki firm started a high-speed aircraft research programme, towards closing the technological gap with the Western World. They used two 1,175 hp Ha-40 (DB 601) engines connected in tandem by a 2 m length DB 615 power shaft and an evaporation cooling system based on the He 100 V8. All necessary information was acquired in Germany by engineer Jun Kitano in 1940.

Foreseeing the French technological delay in the field of jet engines and its consequences at the end of the war, the design team of the Arsenal firm (known as AEA during the German occupation) created two projects of flying wings based on the VB.10 with improved aerodynamic features.


The first design had a 17 per cent thickness gull wing very similar to the one in the North American Northrop N-1M, although the double dihedral angle (+16 degrees, -9 degrees) was more extreme.

The wing had a moderate swept angle of 15 degrees in the leading edge, Youngman type flaps of a big size and spoilers. The engines would have been two H.S.12Z rated at 1,200 hp and equipped with Turboméca superchargers and a ventral Chausson radiator.

Thanks to the joint homocinétique both engines could work independently by acting over two Ratier contra-rotating airscrews. It was to be built using welded steel-tube with some pieces of magnesium and the external coating of a material called contraplaqué métallique.

The cockpit armour should have 7 mm side, 15 mm. back and 80 mm armoured glass front panel.

The armament was to be a combination of the Browning 5 in. machine guns and Hispano-Suiza 20 mm cannons with an SF 1943B gunsight. The radio should be of the TR1143 type.

The second design was more advanced. With the pilot in a prone position installed in the forward section of the fuselage, pusher airscrews and 33 degrees swept wings based on the research made by Roger Robert in 1942.

In 1944 it was decided to replace the H.S.12Z by two Jumo 213 A-1 of 1,776 hp in the first design and by an experimental H.S.24Z of 24 cylinders in ‘X’ and 3,000 hp in the second design.


First design technical data

Wingspan: 59 ft (18 m), lenght: 30 ft (9.10 m), height: 6.8 ft (2.10 m), wing surface: 444 ft (40 sq.m), maximum weight: 13.135 lbs (5,950 kg).

Second design technical data

Wingspan: 59 ft (18 m), lenght: 26.2 ft (8 m), height: 6.4 ft (1.95 m), wing surface: 444 ft (40 sq.m).
 
On 23 October 1934 an Italian experimental seaplane named Macchi M.C.72 surpassed the flying speed of 700 Km/h thus obtaining an absolute record for airplanes of its class that has never been improved until today.

The secret of this success was in the power plant: a 2,850 hp Fiat A.S.6 of 24 cylinder double V-12 piston engine, essentially two V-12 engines in tandem (joined by a single crankshaft) each driving one of the two contra/rotating propellers via a coaxial shaft.

Although the idea of coupled engines finally proved to be inefficient in practice, it was seriously considered for military purposes during the years previous to the World War II.

When Italians tried the mass production the Fiat A38 RI C15/45 engine (the military version of the AS.6) to propel the Fiat G.50 fighter, they encountered unsolvable manufacturing and maintenance problems due to the complexity of the design. This forced them to cancel the programme in July 1941.

Same situation was lived by North Americans with their enormous Chrysler XIV-2220 to be used as the power plant for an advanced version of the P-47 Thunderbolt and that was necessary to cancel due to excessive vibration.

The Germans abandoned their work in the V16 engines for the same reason, the design of a V16 variant of the DB 603, known as DB 609, was started in September 1942. It was a 16 cylinder and 2,500 hp engine, which prototype showed serious problems of vibration, when tested in the Focke-Wulf 190 V19 prototype, due to the excessive length of the crankshaft. The result of their efforts on the development of side-by-side coupled engines was the DB 606, 610 and 613 which operational use in the Heinkel He 177 bombers was a maintenance nightmare, with several accidents and fires due to overheating of the engines.

The British also failed with the 2,000 hp Rolls-Royce Vulture. It was a 24 cylinders in ‘X’ engine formed by two R.R. Peregrine of 12 Cylinders in ‘V’ (one normal and one inverted) married to a common crankshaft with which they expected to power the Hawker Tornado fighter. The project was cancelled in 1940 in favour of the Hawker Typhoon propelled by the more conventional Napier Sabre engine.


The French designers also tried their own solution to the problem. The most imaginative was doubtless the used by Roland Payen in his experimental light fighter Pa.112 C1. It used two Salmson AD-9 radial engines in a face to face position to drive a common gearbox. This was a transmisión électrique Cotal which employed epicyclical internals and an electrical gear change control by means of electromagnetic clutches. Originally designed for high performance cars, this system actuated over a coaxial shaft located over the engines, through which a 20 mm. gun could be fired simultaneously serving to move the propellers. A unique case of moteur-canon using radial engines!

A bit more conventional was the system of engines in tandem designed during the German occupation by the engineer Michel Vernisse. It was to power the Arsenal VB.10 fighter by using two Hispano-Suiza H.S. 12Z engines. One of them was installed in the nose of the airplane and the other in the central section of the fuselage. Both were connected to each other by a power shaft that went under the pilot seat, like in the Bell P-39 Airacobra. Excessive vibrations were removed by the device known as joint homocinétique.

In 1942 the Latécoère 299A was built to test the system by modifying a Latécoére dive bomber in which two standard 860 hp H.S.12-Y-31 were connected by a power shaft.

The prototype was destroyed in an accident without ever having flown, but the ground tests performed were satisfactory enough to approve the construction of the V.10.

The Germans were not interested in the Latécoère 299A, at that time, they had already dropped their own DB 615 system, with two DB 603 engines connected in tandem.

The appearance of the first jet fighters made the VB.10 obsolete and it was decided to use it as transition airplane during the first years of the post war, until the time when the new French jet fighters were available.

However, the programme was cancelled in 1948 due to different accidents with the prototypes and pre-production airplanes.

Several variants of the VB.10, about which very little is known, were proposed during the war. One of them was a naval fighter designed in 1944. Another was named VB.15 and was to be propelled by two German Jumo 213 engines.

Arsenal VB.10 technical data

Power plant: two 860 hp Hispano-Suiza H.S. 12 Y-31, 12-cylinder ‘V’, liquid-cooled engines or two 1,150 hp H.S. 12 Z Ars 15/16, wingspan: 50.8 ft (15.49 m), length: 42.6 ft (12.98 m), height: 17 ft (5.2 m), wing area: 382 sq.ft. (35.5 sq.m), maximum weight: 21,737 lbs (9,860 kg), maximum speed: 435 mph. (700 kph), climb rate: 2,008 ft/min, armament: four wing-mounted H.S.404 cannon of 20 mm with 150 rounds per gun.



The Soviets acquired the manufacturing license of the H.S.12 Ybrs as Klimov M-103 A. In 1939 they began the construction of the Bolkhovitinov S-2, a fast bomber powered by two M-103 engines connected in tandem by a transmission system like the Vernisse. On 20 March 1940 the prototype was flown reaching 570 kph top speed. After the German attack the development of the S-2 was interrupted because of the priority given to the manufacture of the Petlyakov Pe-2 bomber.

In October 1940, after analysing the new combat tactics used in Europe, the Kawasaki firm started a high-speed aircraft research programme, towards closing the technological gap with the Western World. They used two 1,175 hp Ha-40 (DB 601) engines connected in tandem by a 2 m length DB 615 power shaft and an evaporation cooling system based on the He 100 V8. All necessary information was acquired in Germany by engineer Jun Kitano in 1940.

Foreseeing the French technological delay in the field of jet engines and its consequences at the end of the war, the design team of the Arsenal firm (known as AEA during the German occupation) created two projects of flying wings based on the VB.10 with improved aerodynamic features.


The first design had a 17 per cent thickness gull wing very similar to the one in the North American Northrop N-1M, although the double dihedral angle (+16 degrees, -9 degrees) was more extreme.

The wing had a moderate swept angle of 15 degrees in the leading edge, Youngman type flaps of a big size and spoilers. The engines would have been two H.S.12Z rated at 1,200 hp and equipped with Turboméca superchargers and a ventral Chausson radiator.

Thanks to the joint homocinétique both engines could work independently by acting over two Ratier contra-rotating airscrews. It was to be built using welded steel-tube with some pieces of magnesium and the external coating of a material called contraplaqué métallique.

The cockpit armour should have 7 mm side, 15 mm. back and 80 mm armoured glass front panel.

The armament was to be a combination of the Browning 5 in. machine guns and Hispano-Suiza 20 mm cannons with an SF 1943B gunsight. The radio should be of the TR1143 type.

The second design was more advanced. With the pilot in a prone position installed in the forward section of the fuselage, pusher airscrews and 33 degrees swept wings based on the research made by Roger Robert in 1942.

In 1944 it was decided to replace the H.S.12Z by two Jumo 213 A-1 of 1,776 hp in the first design and by an experimental H.S.24Z of 24 cylinders in ‘X’ and 3,000 hp in the second design.


First design technical data

Wingspan: 59 ft (18 m), lenght: 30 ft (9.10 m), height: 6.8 ft (2.10 m), wing surface: 444 ft (40 sq.m), maximum weight: 13.135 lbs (5,950 kg).

Second design technical data

Wingspan: 59 ft (18 m), lenght: 26.2 ft (8 m), height: 6.4 ft (1.95 m), wing surface: 444 ft (40 sq.m).
 

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A bit more conventional was the system of engines in tandem designed during the German occupation by the engineer Michel Vernisse. It was to power the Arsenal VB.10 fighter by using two Hispano-Suiza H.S. 12Z engines.[...]

In 1942 the Latécoère 299A was built to test the system by modifying a Latécoére dive bomber in which two standard 860 hp H.S.12-Y-31 were connected by a power shaft.

The prototype was destroyed in an accident without ever having flown, but the ground tests performed were satisfactory enough to approve the construction of the V.10.
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Vernisse's tandem system was designed long before German Occupation. The first patents were filed in 1937 and tandem 12Y engine tests were successful in 1938. These engines were initially developped for the VG.10 and VG.20 two years before the VB.10 study started. The VB.10 was just the continuation of those projects, then ordered in May 1940, interrupted in June, but authorized again begining of 1941 into Franco-German program, under study number 52. The study number 53 of this program was allocated to the VG.50 four-engine demonstrator (two tandem pairs).

In addition, the Laté 299A (study number 12 of 1941 Franco-German program) flown at least twice the 25th and 27th April 1944 at Bron, before being destroyed during Allied airfield bombing the 30th April.
 
Breguet also started the study of a stratospheric version of its 4-engined bomber B4/B5 family, initially called type 484.
A civil version of this study called Breguet 1011, designed for North Atlantic, was ordered in 2 copies by the Franco-German program begining 1941, under study number 7. Breguet also studied a version Breguet 1012 with enlarged body.
Another proposed usage for these stratosphéric prototypes was the mail transport, for which Breguet filed a patent during war period.
Multiple types of engine arrangement were studied, including engines coupling in H or coupling in tandem.
 

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Also note that Breguet had previous experience with engine coupling, in both tandem and H architecture, with Bugatti engines for its Leviathan familly.
 

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