Focke-Wulf "Volksjäger"

[Vladimir]

Hi, i'm looking info drowings, illustaration, etc. of Focke-Wulf "Volksjäger"
http://www.luft46.com/fw/fwvolks.html

Thanks!

 

[Vladimir]

nobody?

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Two variants for FW Volksjaeger?
What is the shape of BMW003 engine variant?

"The initial Volksjäger competition in the second half of 1944 required the use of the BMW 003 powerplant. The Focke-Wulf Volksjäger 1, the first model of the Focke-Wulf project, was an innovative-looking single-jet aircraft. It was designed to be powered by one BMW 003 A1 turbojet as an actual contract competitor to the He 162A Spatz, the winner of the Volksjäger design competition and the selected Volksjäger aircraft to be mass-produced.
The air intake of the turbojet engine was placed in the front and the engine itself in the lower fuselage. Two possible shoulder wing configurations were designed for the Fw Volksjäger 1, straight and swept back. The wings of the swept back version spanned 7.5 m (26 ft 7 in) and had an area of 13.5 m² (161 ft²). The tail was supported by a projecting boom over the exhaust of the engine. This fighter aircraft was planned to be armed with two MK 108 cannons placed in a frontal position on both sides of the air intakes.
In some post-war English language publications the Fw Volksjäger 1 project is referred to by the bogus name "Volksflugzeug", a name that is not found in any German-language source referring to this aircraft, but referring instead to a very different Nazi aviation project."

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Focke-Wulf_Volksj%C3%A4ger

https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=4M9i-FXVKckC&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=Focke-Wulf+%22Volksj%C3%A4ger%22&source=bl&ots=6ynhbPEA3E&sig=oCj5YUscgHp7sQHso5Q0YBt8LKk&hl=ja&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3j-fdovjKAhXl2aYKHYKPCFwQ6AEIVzAK#v=onepage&q=Focke-Wulf%20%22Volksj%C3%A4ger%22&f=false

 

[Vladimir]

Oh, thank You, blackkite!

 

[newsdeskdan]

Hi! Two variants for FW Volksjaeger?
What is the shape of BMW003 engine variant?

In some post-war English language publications the Fw Volksjäger 1 project is referred to by the bogus name "Volksflugzeug", a name that is not found in any German-language source referring to this aircraft, but referring instead to a very different Nazi aviation project."

No German language source… except the original Focke-Wulf submission for the Volksjäger competition. See the bottom right of p75 of Luftwaffe: Secret Jets. I have strong doubts about the Focke-Wulf Volksjäger pictured in this thread. The original documents don't show it - they do show a re-engined 1-TL-Jager (Baubeschreibung Nr. 280) referred to as the Einheits T-L-Jäger and the Volksflugzeug with the option of either swept or straight wings.

 

[blackkite]

Do you think that only this drawing is the real design of Focke Wulf Volksjaeger(Volksflugzeug).

 

[newsdeskdan]

Do you think that only this drawing is the real design of Focke Wulf Volksjaeger(Volksflugzeug).

Well, that and the Einheits T-L-Jager.

 

[blackkite]

Do you have a image of Einheits T-L-Jager?

 

[newsdeskdan]

Do you have a image of Einheits T-L-Jager?

p75 of Luftwaffe: Secret Jets of the Third Reich.

 

[blackkite]

This book?

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

That's the one. A fine publication well worth twice the cover price!

 

[blackkite]

Thanks a lot. I ordered my copy.

 

[blackkite]

Do you have a image of Einheits T-L-Jager?

p75 of Luftwaffe: Secret Jets of the Third Reich.

Today I get my copy. It's a amazing book. I find many many original drawings. Thansk for inform me.
I need a magnifying glass. ;D
Can I expect books for secret jet bomber projects, secret piston engine fighter projects and secret piston engine bomber projects near future?

 

[newsdeskdan]

Do you have a image of Einheits T-L-Jager?

p75 of Luftwaffe: Secret Jets of the Third Reich.

Today I get my copy. It's a amazing book. I find many many original drawings. Thansk for inform me.
I need a magnifying glass. ;D
Can I expect books for secret jet bomber projects, secret piston engine fighter projects and secret piston engine bomber projects near future?

Yes, sorry some of the images are so small. It's a shame because in most cases the scans they're derived from are absolutely HUGE. Squeezing everything in that I wanted to get in was a problem. I might eventually get around to doing something else with German secret projects.

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

I wanted to ask if the Focke-Wulf Volksjäger 2 design illustrated at Luft46 is fictional or was merely a rocket-powered Ta 183 proposal, because the link describes it as being based on the Ta 183.

 

[newsdeskdan]

I wanted to ask if the Focke-Wulf Volksjäger 2 design illustrated at Luft46 is fictional or was merely a rocket-powered Ta 183 proposal, because the link describes it as being based on the Ta 183.

I would say that the jury is still out on it. I have several large sets of documents produced by Focke-Wulf concerning its Volksjaeger designs and none of them mention this one or anything like it. If it is 'real' it wasn't worked on for any great length of time.
The earliest reference I've been able to find for the design is a tiny little book which, I think, came out in 1970 - Focke-Wulf Flugzeuge published by Luftfahrt-Verlag Walter Zuerl. I say 'I think' it came out then because there's no date on it. Amazon.de has it as 'January 1, 1970', which sounds rather arbitrary to me - it might have come out long before then. See attached pics - biro and keyboard shown for scale. The author isn't listed.
I would guess that what it calls the 'P-VIII' must have previously been featured in some sort of magazine article prior to its inclusion in the book. Later compilers of German secret projects scraps, such as Heinz J. Nowarra, don't include this particular design even when they have included everything else - which may suggest that they had doubts about it.
But there's nothing to suggest that it definitely isn't real either, although the accompanying text is total rubbish. If it had a jet engine, where's the intake? And it wasn't submitted for the Volksjaeger programme - we know the designs that were. The Volksjaeger requirement was for a cheap manoeuvrable low-to-medium altitude fighter powered by a single BMW 003. A rocket-only design would not have been considered, and Focke-Wulf never seems to have submitted designs for competitions which completely disregarded the basic requirement. Similarly, there is no evidence that Focke-Wulf was working on a 'P-VIII' prototype at the end of the war.
So we're really only left with a drawing of indeterminate origin attributed to Focke-Wulf.
Does anyone have anything on the design from earlier than 1970?

 

[sienar]

Amazon.de has it as 'January 1, 1970', which sounds rather arbitrary to me - it might have come out long before then.

That is the unix epoch, probably just what their system defaults to if no date is added.

 

[scorp]

Dan: I'd used to have the companion Messerschmitt volume in the Flieger/Walter Zuerl series. It was from mid-Sixties, or possibly even earlier.

 

[richard B]

Dan: I'd used to have the companion Messerschmitt volume in the Flieger/Walter Zuerl series. It was from mid-Sixties, or possibly even earlier.

I am pretty sure it was shown in "Der Flieger" in the early fifties.

From "Die deutschen Flugzeuge 1933-1945" by Karlheinz Kens & Heinz J. Nowarra (Lehmann Verlag 1961) :

 

[newsdeskdan]

Dan: I'd used to have the companion Messerschmitt volume in the Flieger/Walter Zuerl series. It was from mid-Sixties, or possibly even earlier.

I am pretty sure it was shown in "Der Flieger" in the early fifties.

From "Die deutschen Flugzeuge 1933-1945" by Karlheinz Kens & Heinz J. Nowarra (Lehmann Verlag 1961) :

That description certainly seems more convincing than the one from the Walter Zuerl series. The Ta 183 didn't get that RLM number till March 1945 but that basic shape was being played around with by Multhopp from about April 1944. The rocket-propelled Objektschutzjaeger seems to have really become a thing from about late July to September 1944, so if Focke-Wulf was ever going to draw one up it probably would have been around that time.
I wonder why Nowarra dropped the design from his later Die deutsche Luftruestung 1933-1945 (I don't think it's in the last version from 1993 - the 4-volume set)?