Farman and SNCAC Projects

[hesham]

Dear Jemiba,
I don't know the MS.60 was still alive after WW II or not.
some little known aircraft:


Farman A.2 :two seat high wing reconnaissance and observation monoplane of 1924.

Farman B.2 :two seat light day bomber of 1921.

Farman BN.4: was long range four engined three-bay four
seat biplane bomber of 1921.

Farman-Levy :three engined maritime reconnaissance flying
boat of 1922.

Farman-Levy 450: flying boat.

 

[Jemiba]

Not much to offer, you know, I'm keen to have 3-views, or at least photos/artist's
impressions (to make 3-views !), but I've found just the Farman B.2 and the BN.4,
the last perhaps better known as F.68 .
Aircraft of an era, when french types really were famed ... for their ugliness !

My source was "Flugzeuge von A-Z" gives the F.68 as a version of the Farman F.60 series,
which started as a civil airliner, named Goliath. You are right in so far, that the additional
designation BN.4 was used for some other bomber variants ofbthis series, too. But, I think,
all were based on the F.60.

 

[hesham]

Hallo,
dear Jemiba, I check from Farman F.60 to F.68 and its derivative F.140;F.141
and F.160 to F.169, the BN.4 of 1921 was not related to them at all.

 

[Archibald]

There's a small picture of the SNCAC (former Farman) NC-140 in Le fana de l'Aviation, april 2002. The NC-140 was to a stratospheric bomber with pressurised cabin. To develop the technic, a flying testbed name NC-130 flew at the beginning of WWII. (In one of the test flight at 35000 ft or so, there was a failed interception atempt by a Bf-110...)
Hmmmm have to check aviafrance to see if they have the NC-130 ... here we are !
http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=9647&ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=1141&ANNEE=0&ID_MISSION=0&MOTCLEF=

 

[Jemiba]

On http://www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/nc130.html, there's quite a
good 3-view. Unfortunately the NC.130 is pre-war stuff ... 8)

 

[hesham]

Not much to offer, you know, I'm keen to have 3-views, or at least photos/artist's
impressions (to make 3-views !), but I've found just the Farman B.2 and the BN.4,
the last perhaps better known as F.68 .
Aircraft of an era, when french types really were famed ... for their ugliness !

Thanks Jemiba,

but the BN.4 was not related to F.68,it was a design without number.


The SNCAC NC.540 was drived from NC.510,511,513 & 530
as twin engined multi-purpose aircraft and NC.550 was twin
engined day and night recce monoplane project,powereb by
Gnome-Rhone engines and had estimated speed 554 km/h;
it also a different from NC.540 with a retractable langing gear.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

who can identify this Farman aircraft of 1922 ?.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1922/1922%20-%200764.html

 

[Jemiba]

Not sure, judging the year of the construction, it could be
the Farman F.200, see Bruno Parmetiers excellent Aviafrance site
( http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=6429&ID_CONSTRUCTEUR=501&ANNEE=1923&ID_MISSION=0&MOTCLEF= )

In "Flugzeuge von A-Z" ,volume 2, there's a mention for such a type, too,
but without designation ... :

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Jemiba,

but the Farman F.200 was first flown in 1930 as in my source.

 

[toura]

dear Hesham.
You have TWO Farman 200.
The one above and another derived from the Farman 190
It is this second one you are speaking....
Bye

 

[Jemiba]

The "1930 F.200" was a parasol winged aircraft, powered by a 120hp radial engine
and 20 examples were built (photo from Bruno Parmentieres site AviaFrance).
The first F.200 had an 8 cylinder Hispano-Suiza inline engine and the example shown
on the aerosalon 1922 was the only one ever built.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dears,

and here is the Farman cabin aircraft.

 

[Jemiba]

Very good, hesham, where did you find it ?
The photos show, that the fuselage isn't that sleek, I thought it to be.
The nose section could have a square cross-section,I had associated
a standing rectangle with the inline engine ... :

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Jemiba,

and I forgot the source.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1923/1923%20-%200007.html

 

[Tzoli]

Both Google and Wiki fails me to give specifications on both offensive and defensive armaments if the 1920's Farman F.160 series Goliath bombers and naval bombers. Can you guys help me?
I assume these variants equipped with similar armaments:
Farman F.160, F.165 F.166 F.167 F.168 F.268 and F.368 Goliath

 

[SlickDriver]

Farman F.160 http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1926/1926%20-%200879.html

 

[hesham]

Farman A.2 :two seat high wing reconnaissance and observation monoplane of 1924.

Hi,

here is the Farman A.2 of 1923;


http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1924/1924%20-%200770.html?search=farman%20fighter

 

[hesham]

Farman A.2 :two seat high wing reconnaissance and observation monoplane of 1924.

Hi,

here is the Farman A.2 of 1923;


http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1924/1924%20-%200770.html?search=farman%20fighter

By the way,


that aircraft was submitted to A.2 1923 competition for two seat recce aircraft,
which the main tenders were; Farman A.2,Tampiet T.4,Descamps DB-16 and
Potez-24 & Potez-27.

 

[hesham]

By the way,


that aircraft was submitted to A.2 1923 competition for two seat recce aircraft,
which the main tenders were; Farman A.2,Tampiet T.4,Descamps DB-16 and
Potez-24 & Potez-27.

Also the Wibault Wib.10 was submitted to this contender.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a mystery Farman project,it was a biplane limousine transport
aircraft,powered by one 600 hp engine,and I suggest that aircraft
may be the Farman F.100,the missing number in Farman list to this
period,only my opinion.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6556028q/f2.image

 

[hesham]

Hi,

who can identify this Farman aircraft of 1922 ?.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1922/1922%20-%200764.html

Hi,


here is a 3-view to Farman F.200 two seat tourist aircraft.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65560405/f2.image

 

[patvig]

It seems that F.200 reference number was given twice : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farman_F.200 is a different plane (parasol wing and 1929). Can anyone give more info ?

 

[hesham]

It seems that F.200 reference number was given twice : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farman_F.200 is a different plane (parasol wing and 1929). Can anyone give more info ?

That's right Patvig,


and you can see from the book Les Avions Farman,two different aircraft;

 

[patvig]

It seems that F.200 reference number was given twice : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farman_F.200 is a different plane (parasol wing and 1929). Can anyone give more info ?

That's right atvig,


and you can see from the book Les Avions Farman,two different aircraft;

Many thanks for the info.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


I can't ID this Farman twin engined (push-pull) transport biplane aircraft,and was
it a project ?.


L'Aerophile 1927.

 

[Maveric]

This is the Farman F.180 or a variant of this.

 

[airman]

This is the Farman F.180 or a variant of this.

Just it : Farman F.180 with two Farman 12 of 500 Hp , so have seen length of 16 m instead 18 of the three prototypes then i suppose could be a variant .
In this variant , probably, they supposed by calculations to increase the maximum speed between 190 and 200 km/h and cruise speed between 150 and 160 km/h.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farman_F.180

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dears Maveric and Airman.

 

[toura]

Bonjour Hasan.

Your three views show the f 180 at the beginning of its carrer
it was modified after the abvortive raid to New york.........
Have a nice time
PAUL

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Toura,


and can you ID the project in Reply # 20.

 

[toura]

another view (with windows)

 

[toura]

perhaps this one, the f 62. but not sure

 

[hesham]

perhaps this one, the f 62. but not sure

May be my dear Toura,


but the 600 hp engine makes it a mystery.

 

[toura]

Bonjour Hasan

A better answer, I thing

 

[hesham]

Yes my dear Toura,


that's it,many thanks.

 

[hesham]

From l'Aeronautique journal of 1921,


it was not aircraft,but consider a strange idea.

 

[Stargazer]

From l'Aeronautique journal of 1921,
it was not aircraft,but consider a strange idea.

It's a joke ("Le salon gai" meaning the "The fun side of the show") but I'd need to see the rest of the item to really understand it.

 

[hesham]

Oh yea,thank you my dear Skyblazr,


my dear Jemiba can transfer it to Humorous aircraft;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21471.msg229207.html#msg229207


and here is Farman four engined aircraft drawing,called Farman BN.4 of 1921.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a strange Farman design.


Flugsport 1922

 

[dan_inbox]

it looks a lot more like a Couzinet than a Farman. So much that it makes on wonder whether the journalist got it right.