Egyptian missile and rocket history discussion

[Gaafar]

Self-explanatory

 

[Gaafar]

Al Raeds for example, were destined to carry the fizzled Negma Satellite, into an apogee of 450KM, to study/observe the earth's electromagnetic field

 

[Gaafar]

Sparrow missles assembled by the AOI for the radar guided "Amoun" Air Defence system

 

[Gaafar]

Egypt has a Scud industry that's operated in utmost secrecy (Does anyone know what's in the photo)

 

[Dilandu]

(Does anyone know what's in the photo)

It's MZKT-8022 5P71 transporter-erector-launcher for S-125 "Pechora 2M" SAM:

Modern Russian-Belarus upgrade for legacy missile system. The missile itself is equipped with a new fuze, the control system is fully digital, and the radar tracking system (also upgraded) is reinforced with electro-optical passive tracking system (the S-125 is command-guided SAM, i.e. it's irrelevant for missile how exactly the target is tracked; the missile is guided by commands from fire control computer that processes the sensors data).

Egypt brought the number of "Pechora-2M" systems in 2000s.

 

[Gaafar]

(Does anyone know what's in the photo)

It's MZKT-8022 5P71 transporter-erector-launcher for S-125 "Pechora 2M" SAM:

Modern Russian-Belarus upgrade for legacy missile system. The missile itself is equipped with a new fuze, the control system is fully digital, and the radar tracking system (also upgraded) is reinforced with electro-optical passive tracking system (the S-125 is command-guided SAM, i.e. it's irrelevant for missile how exactly the target is tracked; the missile is guided by commands from fire control computer that processes the sensors data).

Egypt brought the number of "Pechora-2M" systems in 2000s.

Yeah the Scud industry started sometime before that, thanks by the way!

 

[Dilandu]

Yeah the Scud industry started sometime before that, thanks by the way!

You are welcome.

 

[Gaafar]

@hesham my brother from egypt, do you know anything about modern-day egyptian missles?

 

[NMaude]

Egypt brought the number of "Pechora-2M" systems in 2000s.

Is the SA-3 Goa still in production?

 

[Dilandu]

Is the SA-3 Goa still in production?

As far as I know - no, but there is still an enormous supply of those missiles and control system, left after they were removed from Russian service.

 

[NMaude]

I wonder if any of them have been converted into surface-to-surface missiles like some SA-2 Guidelines were?

 

[Dilandu]

wonder if any of them have been converted into surface-to-surface missiles like some SA-2 Guidelines were?

Both S-75 and S-125 have surface-to-surface mode by definition, even in earliest models.

 

[Gaafar]

wonder if any of them have been converted into surface-to-surface missiles like some SA-2 Guidelines were?

Both S-75 and S-125 have surface-to-surface mode by definition, even in earliest models.

Any photo, or info on the project t thing???

 

[hesham]

@hesham my brother from egypt, do you know anything about modern-day egyptian missles?

Hi Brother Gaafar,

I know old only,here;

مشروع القاهر والظافر - المعرفة

مشروع القاهر والظافر، هو أحد مشاريع برنامج الصواريخ المصري. أقيم المشروع تحت إدارة هيئة الطيران، في مصنع 333 الحربي (مصنع صقر حاليا)، حيث هناك المعامل والورش اللازمة لكلا الصاروخين. بالنسبة للجيروسكوب

www.marefa.org

صواريخ القاهر والظافر والرائد كانت حق وليس وهم

دكتور عبدالفتاح عبد الباقى القاهرة ٨يوليو ٢٠١٨

group73historians.com

 

[NMaude]

مشروع القاهر والظافر - المعرفة

مشروع القاهر والظافر، هو أحد مشاريع برنامج الصواريخ المصري. أقيم المشروع تحت إدارة هيئة الطيران، في مصنع 333 الحربي (مصنع صقر حاليا)، حيث هناك المعامل والورش اللازمة لكلا الصاروخين. بالنسبة للجيروسكوب

www.marefa.org

صواريخ القاهر والظافر والرائد كانت حق وليس وهم

دكتور عبدالفتاح عبد الباقى القاهرة ٨يوليو ٢٠١٨

group73historians.com

For those of us who don't know Arabic what does it say?

 

[hesham]

For those of us who don't know Arabic what does it say?

Here it's

مشروع القاهر والظافر - المعرفة

مشروع القاهر والظافر، هو أحد مشاريع برنامج الصواريخ المصري. أقيم المشروع تحت إدارة هيئة الطيران، في مصنع 333 الحربي (مصنع صقر حاليا)، حيث هناك المعامل والورش اللازمة لكلا الصاروخين. بالنسبة للجيروسكوب

www-marefa-org.translate.goog

صواريخ القاهر والظافر والرائد كانت حق وليس وهم

دكتور عبدالفتاح عبد الباقى القاهرة ٨يوليو ٢٠١٨

group73historians-com.translate.goog

 

[NMaude]

Thanks.

 

[klem]

The story of the dramatic adventure of German and Austrian specialists in Egypt, published in Der Spiegel 19-1963. (Deutsche Raketen fuer Nasser-Naher Osten Ruestung 36,135 und 333-DER SPIEGEL.1963-19) The article traces the beginnings of aeronautical acquisition and the conception of the first Egyptian missiles Al-Qaher and Al-Zafer . (PDF text in German)

 

[hesham]

The story of the dramatic adventure of German and Austrian specialists in Egypt, published in Der Spiegel 19-1963. (Deutsche Raketen fuer Nasser-Naher Osten Ruestung 36,135 und 333-DER SPIEGEL.1963-19) The article traces the beginnings of aeronautical acquisition and the conception of the first Egyptian missiles Al-Qaher and Al-Zafer . (PDF text in German)

Thanks,and there was also Alraed,with a Space Missile too.

 

[hesham]

A testimony for history,
30 years ago, in the second Gulf War, the coalition forces, led by America and the Arab forces, complained about the Iraqi Scud missiles, and that the Patriot missiles were completely unable to shoot them down completely, and that when the operations began, these forces feared that dozens of them might be fired, and the Egyptian response was that they could Providing full protection, and the Egyptian Amoun system was modified for the Italian SkyGuard missiles, after making a 16 modifications to it, and the results were excellent.

 

[Gaafar]

A testimony for history,
30 years ago, in the second Gulf War, the coalition forces, led by America and the Arab forces, complained about the Iraqi Scud missiles, and that the Patriot missiles were completely unable to shoot them down completely, and that when the operations began, these forces feared that dozens of them might be fired, and the Egyptian response was that they could Providing full protection, and the Egyptian Amoun system was modified for the Italian SkyGuard missiles, after making a 16 modifications to it, and the results were excellent.

i have a question, unrelated to this subject, does egypt produce torpedoes???

 

[hesham]

A testimony for history,
30 years ago, in the second Gulf War, the coalition forces, led by America and the Arab forces, complained about the Iraqi Scud missiles, and that the Patriot missiles were completely unable to shoot them down completely, and that when the operations began, these forces feared that dozens of them might be fired, and the Egyptian response was that they could Providing full protection, and the Egyptian Amoun system was modified for the Italian SkyGuard missiles, after making a 16 modifications to it, and the results were excellent.

i have a question, unrelated to this subject, does egypt produce torpedoes???

I think not.

 

[Gaafar]

A testimony for history,
30 years ago, in the second Gulf War, the coalition forces, led by America and the Arab forces, complained about the Iraqi Scud missiles, and that the Patriot missiles were completely unable to shoot them down completely, and that when the operations began, these forces feared that dozens of them might be fired, and the Egyptian response was that they could Providing full protection, and the Egyptian Amoun system was modified for the Italian SkyGuard missiles, after making a 16 modifications to it, and the results were excellent.

i have a question, unrelated to this subject, does egypt produce torpedoes???

I think not.

Any modern-day unguided rockets???

 

[hesham]

Any modern-day unguided rockets???

Also I don't know,sorry.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

Egypt Missile Overview

Overview of Egypt's missile capabilities and nonproliferation activities

www.nti.org

 

[voskhod]

missile mockup on a TEL

 

[voskhod]

Nasser and the missile's steering (jet vanes) unit

 

[Gaafar]

Egypt's pertinent efforts to develop ballistic missiles started when Egypt's Royalist Government under the auspices of King Farouk, examined long-range rocketry. Stymied by the tripartite dclaration of 1950, which restricted arm exports to Egypt. West Germany helped Cairo reconstitute its military capabilities. The West German Government authorized the departure of 71 military experts, who arrived at Cairo by early-1951 to train the Egyptian army for explosive ordnance disposal, communicational capabilities, and naval gunnery.

Dr Wilhem Voss was tasked with tinkering a "small-caliber rocket" dubbed "CERVA". Dr. Voss had no experience in rocketry, he turned to a German known to us today as Herr Fuellner to recruit several german scientists.

 

[Gaafar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1537589813033201664

 

[Gaafar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1537589813033201664

Thread about Egypt's Forays into Rocketry, relevant to the subject in hand

 

[antigravite]

Al Raeds for example, were destined to carry the fizzled Negma Satellite, into an apogee of 450KM, to study/observe the earth's electromagnetic field

Hi
Thank you for this unexpected thread which I discover very late. Where can we find info on this "Negma" satellite project?

Also, I was a close friend of Hartmut Sänger and we discussed Eugen Sänger – his father – involvement in the egyptian affair at length. For very personal reasons, I was suoer pushy on this subject and really wanted to understand what Sänger has done in Egypt, the real extent of his involvement. To the very best of my knowledge, and after having see all the trip logs, very few time was spent in Egypt. Days. The media hype was very high against Eugen Sänger at a time when Israel and Germany had to bridge a diplomatic gap. This was the timeframe of the Eichman trial. However, a younger generation of engineers gravitationg around Eugen and possibly more actively around Irene was far mire involved in Egypt. Eugen was an idealist superbad at politics.

A.

 

[klem]

Where can we find info on this "Negma" satellite project?



Nasser and the Missile Age in the Middle East.Owen L. Sirrs.p83....

 

[Gaafar]

Al Raeds for example, were destined to carry the fizzled Negma Satellite, into an apogee of 450KM, to study/observe the earth's electromagnetic field

Hi
Thank you for this unexpected thread which I discover very late. Where can we find info on this "Negma" satellite project?

Also, I was a close friend of Hartmut Sänger and we discussed Eugen Sänger – his father – involvement in the egyptian affair at length. For very personal reasons, I was suoer pushy on this subject and really wanted to understand what Sänger has done in Egypt, the real extent of his involvement. To the very best of my knowledge, and after having see all the trip logs, very few time was spent in Egypt. Days. The media hype was very high against Eugen Sänger at a time when Israel and Germany had to bridge a diplomatic gap. This was the timeframe of the Eichman trial. However, a younger generation of engineers gravitationg around Eugen and possibly more actively around Irene was far mire involved in Egypt. Eugen was an idealist superbad at politics.

A.

glad you liked it, you can find more info about the negma satellite in owen l sirrs amazing book, can u share more info about your conversation with hartmut sanger, if you dont mid ofc

 

[Deleted member 4286]

Self-explanatory

Some precisions on the 60s missile program

 

[Deleted member 4286]

Some precisions on the 60s missile program

And satellite...