Douglas F3D Competitors

[hesham]

In 1945 the Aeronautics Bureau issue a requirement for all weather fighter,

only four companies participate :-

1) Douglas F3D Model ----?.
2) Curtiss Model ----?.
3) Fleetwings Model ----?.
4) Grumman G ----?.

can anyone identify them ?.

 

[devi]

Re: F3D Competitors

Hi hesham.

Grumman G-75(XF9F-1) participated in competition.

 

[hesham]

Re: F3D Competitors

Dear Tophe,

if you have the book Curtiss since 1907-1947,please tell us the Curtiss
proposal for this competition and also for A3D competition.

 

[elmayerle]

Re: F3D Competitors

You have to wonder if the Curtiss entry wasn't a navalized version of the XF-87 "Blackhawk"?

 

[hesham]

Re: F3D Competitors

By the way,

the source for this info was the book,The American Fighter since 1917 to the
present,and the Fleetwings submitted a proposal and the Curtiss also,but it
was not Curtiss-Wright as we think.

 

[hesham]

Re: F3D Competitors

Now we can say,and from Tailspin explanations,


the contenders were;


1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Curtiss Model-? or P-?
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Fleetwings Model-?
5) Goodyear GA-13

 

[Tailspin Turtle]

Re: F3D Competitors

Now we can say,and from Tailspin explanations,


the contenders were;


1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Curtiss Model-? or P-?
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Fleetwings Model-?
5) Goodyear GA-13

I haven't seen a Fleetwings proposal. Curtiss-Wright did propose. Also Consolidated Vultee (VF-4505), Bell (D-31), and Vought (V-343).

 

[hesham]

Very great work my dear Tailspin,

thank you,and if there is any info about Bell D-31 and VF-4505 or drawings,that will
be nice.

For the competition,the contenders were;


1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Bell D-31
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Convair VF-4505
5) Goodyear GA-13
6) Vought V-343
7) Fleetwings Model-?
8) Curtiss Wright Model-? or P-?

 

[hesham]

My dear Tailspin,


please if you have a drawings to Bell D-31 and Convair VF-4505,that will be
great.

 

[Tailspin Turtle]

My dear Tailspin,
please if you have a drawings to Bell D-31 and Convair VF-4505,that will be
great.

Note that the "Model D-31" is how it was identified on the Bell proposal. It is not the Bell Model 31.

 

[Stargazer]

Wow, Tommy! This is great. There definitely IS an F3D feel about the Convair. Wonder if the general layout was already provided by the Navy as a canvass for the manufacturers to work from.

 

[hesham]

Perfect my dear Tailspin,


thank you very much,and please,if you have the drawings to Goodyear GA-13 and
Vought V-343,I will be grateful for you.

 

[Tailspin Turtle]

Perfect my dear Tailspin,


thank you very much,and please,if you have the drawings to Goodyear GA-13 and
Vought V-343,I will be grateful for you.

 

[hesham]

Oh my God,


many many thanks to you my dear Tailspin,very very interesting projects,
you made my day.

 

[hesham]

For the competition,the contenders were;

1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Bell D-31
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Convair VF-4505
5) Goodyear GA-13
6) Vought V-343
7) Fleetwings Model-?
8) Curtiss Wright Model-? or P-?

Nothing about Fleetwings to this moment ?.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

No. There's an undated proposal at LARA for the Navy -


Fleetwings Kaiser Flying Wing

 

[hesham]

No. There's an undated proposal at LARA for the Navy -


Fleetwings Kaiser Flying Wing

Thank you my dear Paul,


and I hope that,we can get it.

 

[hesham]

For the competition,the contenders were;

1) Douglas F3D Model-561
2) Bell D-31
3) Grumman G-75 (XF9F-1)
4) Convair VF-4505
5) Goodyear GA-13
6) Vought V-343
7) Fleetwings Model-?
8) Curtiss Wright Model-? or P-?

I think for Fleetwings,it was Model 50 or 51,because the Model 52 was a helicopter project,created for a competition of September 1945,and this contest was issued in August 1945 ?.

 

[Stargazer]

I think for Fleetwings,it was Model 50 or 51,because the Model 52 was a helicopter project,created for
a competition of September 1945,and this contest was issued in August 1945 ?.

The fighter was most likely the Fleetwings Model 47.

• https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft_id=2126
• https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...gs-model-47-dive-attack-bomber-project.33202/

 

[hesham]

The fighter was most likely the Fleetwings Model 47.

• https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft_id=2126
• https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...gs-model-47-dive-attack-bomber-project.33202/

I think not,it's a flying wing design,please see reply # 16 by my
dear PaulMM.

 

[Stargazer]

I think not,it's a flying wing design,please see reply # 16 by my
dear PaulMM.

The Kaiser Flying Wing was tentatively designated XBF-1 by the Navy, so it was considered a bomber and not a fighter.