Early proposals leading to the McDonnell-Douglas DC-10

[hesham]

Hi,

here is the Douglas double deck transport aircraft project.

1973 | 1908 | Flight Archive

FLIGHT International, 12 July 1973 61 Douglas forecasts indicate a need for a large-capacity, long-range transport to carry up to 600 mixed-class passengers. The aircraft would have a span of 229ft

www.flightglobal.com

 

[avatar]

more plane per plane!

 

[Skybolt]

The original DC-10, pre-American Airlines specification was a double-decker. BTW Flight must have mixed things a bit on the performances: a speed of Mach 0.95 is incompatible (at least if you want to make more than a few hundred chilometers) with that kind of fuselage shape....

 

[hesham]

Hi,

1968 | 0201 | Flight Archive

rotational. 8 February 1968 195 -.10B PROPOSALS ILS of (tne McDonnell-Douglas DC-10B being offered to iropean airlines were given in a recent issue of Interavia Iwsletter. Three optional interior arra

www.flightglobal.com

 

[LowObservable]

I can only imagine the HORRIBLE SCREAMS (to quote 1066 And All That) that emanated from Derby, Cincinnati and East Hartford when they saw that. Makes those big banjo frames in the tail look good.

 

[chornedsnorkack]

The original DC-10, pre-American Airlines specification was a double-decker. BTW Flight must have mixed things a bit on the performances: a speed of Mach 0.95 is incompatible (at least if you want to make more than a few hundred chilometers) with that kind of fuselage shape....

The 1974 Flightglobal specifications are really close to the 2010 A380 specifications!

390 economy seats on lower deck? Emirates A380 is flying with 399.

600 total? In 2010, Emirates shall fly with 604, incl. 60 business class.

588 t MTOW? Current A380 has 569 t.

Range is shorter. Maybe it is because of lower BPR - maybe due to overspeeding...

 

[Triton]

Double-deck Douglas D-956-13 from 1965. First use of the name "DC-10."

The initial DC-10 configuration included a high wing, much better suited for a military airlifter. Douglas moved the wing down, creating a design that closely resembles the new Airbus A380. This design is similar to the later proposed MD-12. (Source: Unknown)

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1373991918048918155TjjEwO

 

[Triton]

Artist's impression of Douglas D-956-13 from 1965. Note onboard lounge.

The first design with the name DC-10 was very different from the trijet that eventually bore the designation. This doubledecker design invites comparison with the Airbus A380; fancy onboard lounges are not a new idea! Source: Terry Waddington, McDonnel Douglas DC-10 (Miami: World Transport Press), 2000

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1131353000048918155rOFmxM

 

[Triton]

The Douglas D-918 was offered to Pan Am in competition with the Boeing 747.
Waddington,Terry, McDonnel-Douglas DC-10 (Miami: World Transport Press), 2000.

Widebody airliners today all owe their existence to a USAF request for proposals for a new high-capacity freighter. The similarity of this design to the winner of the military bid, the Lockheed C-5A, is readily apparent. Source: Terry Waddington, McDonnel-Douglas DC-10 (Miami: World Transport Press), 2000.

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1131351492048918155ZbcjiI

 

[Triton]

Three views of the DC-10-3 and profile of DC-10-8 projects of 1967.

Source: McDonnell Douglas DC-10 by Gunter Endres, MBI Publishing Company, 1998

Internal fuselage cross section of DC-10-3.

Source: "America's Airbus", Flight Global, July 13, 1967
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1967/1967%20-%201241.html

 

[Triton]

Three views of the D-950-30 (top) and D-952-30 (bottom) from 1964.

Source: McDonnell Douglas DC-10 by Gunter Endres, MBI Publishing Company, 1998

See also:

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1966/1966%20-%200489.html

 

[Triton]

DC-10A

Source: McDonnell Douglas DC-10 by Gunter Endres, MBI Publishing Company, 1998

 

[Triton]

DC-10B

Source: McDonnell Douglas DC-10 by Gunter Endres, MBI Publishing Company, 1998

 

[Skybolt]

The most funny proposals were the asymmetric ones, with two engine under a wing and one under the other. One was published in the Francillon's article on the DC-10 chez Le Fanà. René was working at strategic marketing for Douglas in 1964-65, and he saw a lot of those proposals go by.

 

[Triton]

Evolution of McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (Part I)

Model Designation: D-950-10
Wingspan: 167 ft 6 in
Length: 194 ft 4 in
Engines: 4 x 40,000 lb
Accommodation: 376 passengers
Take-off weight: 275,000 lb
Max payload: 150,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .87
Typical range: 4,000 nm
Take-off length: Unspecified

Model Designation: D-950-30
Wingspan: 167 ft 6 in
Length: 194 ft 4 in
Engines:4 x 40,000 lb
Accommodation: 457 passengers
Take-off weight: 275,000 lb
Max payload: 120,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .87
Typical range: 4,000 nm
Take-off length: Unspecified

Model Designation: D-950-50
Wingspan: 167 ft 6 in
Length: 194 ft 4 in
Engines: 4 x 40,000 lb
Accommodation: 524 passengers
Take-off weight: 275,000 lb
Max payload: 120,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .87
Typical range: 3,500 nm
Take-off length: Unspecified

Model Designation: D-952-10
Wingspan: 206 ft 9 in
Length: 212 ft 0 in
Engines: 4 x 40,000 lb
Accommodation: 458 passengers
Take-off weight: 300,000 lb
Max payload: 150,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .87
Typical range: Unspecified
Take-off length: Unspecified

Source: Endres, Gunter McDonnell Douglas DC-10 MBI Publishing Company, 1998 page 17.

 

[Triton]

Evolution of McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (Part II).

Model Designation: D-952-30
Wingspan: 206 ft 9 in
Length: 212 ft 0 in
Engines: 4 x 40,000 lb
Accommodation: 498 passengers
Take-off weight: 300,000 lb
Max payload: 150,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .87
Typical range: Unspecified
Take-off length: Unspecified

Model Designation: D-956-13
Wingspan: 191 ft 0 in
Length: 180 ft 0 in
Engines: 4 x 40,000 lb
Accommodation: 400 passengers
Take-off weight: 675,000 lb
Max payload: 215,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .90
Typical range: 2,775 nm
Take-off length: 11,000 ft

Model Designation: D-956-13F
Wingspan: 191 ft 0 in
Length: 180 ft 0 in
Engines: 4 x 40,000 lb
Accommodation: Unspecified
Take-off weight: 680,000 lb
Max payload: 263,300 lb
High-speed cruise: M .90
Typical range: 2,775 nm
Take-off length: 11,000 ft

Model Designation: D-956-15F
Wingspan: 191 ft 0 in
Length: 220 ft 0 in
Engines: 4 x 40,000 lb
Accommodation: 604 passengers
Take-off weight: Unknown
Max payload: Unspecified
High-speed cruise: M .90
Typical range: Unspecified
Take-off length: Unspecified

Source: Endres, Gunter McDonnell Douglas DC-10 MBI Publishing Company, 1998 page 17.

 

[Triton]

Evolution of McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (Part III)

Model Designation: D-956-25
Wingspan: 191 ft 0 in
Length: 220 ft 0 in
Engines: 4 x 40,000 lb
Accommodation: 604 passengers
Take-off weight: Unknown
Max payload: 263,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .90
Typical range: Unspecified
Take-off length: Unspecified

Model Designation: D-966
Wingspan: 162 ft 5 in
Length: 188 ft 0 in
Engines: 2 x 47,000 lb
Accommodation: 250 passengers
Take-off weight: 334,100 lb
Max payload: 55,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .80
Typical range: 1,850 nm
Take-off length: 6,500 ft

Model Designation: DC-10-3
Wingspan: 162 ft 6 in
Length: 184 ft 5 in
Engines: 3 x 32,000 lb
Accommodation: 250 passengers
Take-off weight: 356,400 lb
Max payload: 55,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .85
Typical range: 2,600 nm
Take-off length: 6,500 ft

Model Designation: DC-10-4
Wingspan: 162 ft 6 in
Length: 179 ft 6 in
Engines: 3 x 32,000 lb
Accommodation: 250 passengers
Take-off weight: 331,000 lb
Max payload: Unspecified
High-speed cruise: M .85
Typical range: 5,200 nm
Take-off length: 8,700 ft

Source: Endres, Gunter McDonnell Douglas DC-10 MBI Publishing Company, 1998 page 17.

 

[Triton]

Evolution of McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (Part IV)

Model Designation: DC-10-J2
Wingspan: 160 ft 5 in
Length: 184 ft 5 in
Engines: 2 x 47,000 lb
Accommodation: 298 passengers
Take-off weight: 459,000 lb
Max payload: 51,000 lb
High-speed cruise: M .85
Typical range: 2,600 nm
Take-off length: 9,800 ft

Model Designation: DC-10-J3
Wingspan: 160 ft 5 in
Length: 190 ft 0 in
Engines: 3 x 47,000 lb
Accommodation: 298 passengers
Take-off weight: Unspecified
Max payload: 75,580 lb
High-speed cruise: M .85
Typical range: 4,600 nm
Take-off length: 8,400 ft

Model Designation: DC-10-3A
Wingspan: 155.4 ft
Length: 175 ft
Engines: 3 x 35,000 lb
Accommodation: 308 persons
Take-off weight: 342,200 lb
Max payload: Unspecified
High-speed cruise: M .88
Typical range: 2,500 nm
Take-off length: Unspecified

Model Designation: DC-10-3B
Wingspan: 155.4 ft
Length: 191 ft
Engines: 3
Accommodation: 345 persons
Take-off weight: 383,000 lb
Max payload: Unspecified
High-speed cruise: M .88
Typical range: 1,980 nm
Take-off length: Unspecified

Source: Endres, Gunter McDonnell Douglas DC-10 MBI Publishing Company, 1998 page 17.

 

[Stargazer]

Awesome. Thanks! I have the DC-10-3 and DC-10-4 in my list as respectively D-967 and D-968. The D-969 appears as the DC-X-200, a two- and three-engine proposal, but I'm not sure "DC-X" is equal to "DC-10" here.

 

[Triton]

Awesome. Thanks! I have the DC-10-3 and DC-10-4 in my list as respectively D-967 and D-968. The D-969 appears as the DC-X-200, a two- and three-engine proposal, but I'm not sure "DC-X" is equal to "DC-10" here.

Waddington discusses a Model D-916, artist's concept shown above, but this designation does not appear in Endres' DC-10 evolution chart.

 

[chornedsnorkack]

Three views of the DC-10-3

Internal fuselage cross section of DC-10-3.

Source: "America's Airbus", Flight Global, July 13, 1967
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1967/1967%20-%201241.html

When did DC-10 shrink from being 25 inches wider than 747 to being 16 inches narrower?

 

[bucky74]

Artist's impression of Douglas D-956-13 from 1965. Note onboard lounge.

The first design with the name DC-10 was very different from the trijet that eventually bore the designation. This doubledecker design invites comparison with the Airbus A380; fancy onboard lounges are not a new idea! Source: Terry Waddington, McDonnel Douglas DC-10 (Miami: World Transport Press), 2000

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1131353000048918155rOFmxM

A nice looking plane - the upper deck cockpit cancels out the "big forehead" look of the A380

 

[Triton]

From Flight International:

This is the first picture to be released officially by Douglas showing the layout of one proposed version of the DC-10. Passenger arrangements are for two-aisle cabins with seven-abreast seating on the upper and eight-abreast seating in the lower deck.

Source: Flight International March 3, 1966 p. 335.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1966/1966 - 0566.html

 

[Steve Pace]

From Flight International:

This is the first picture to be released officially by Douglas showing the layout of one proposed version of the DC-10. Passenger arrangements are for two-aisle cabins with seven-abreast seating on the upper and eight-abreast seating in the lower deck.

Source: Flight International March 3, 1966 p. 335.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1966/1966%20-%200566.html?search=DC-10

They should have built this one!

SP

 

[Triton]

Three-view drawings of D-966-2 and D-966-10 showing the twin engine mounting options of Douglas D-966.

Source:
Waddington, Terry. McDonnell-Douglas DC-10 (Miami: World Transport Press), 2000
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1373983732048918155fzDepk

 

[fightingirish]

DC-10-C6
Found in Flug-Revue 10/1971, page 24.
No further info available in this issue, but maybe more in an issue from 1969.

 

[Stargazer]

A better scan of D-966-2 from an old issue of the French Aviation Magazine.

 

[Graham1973]

From Flight International:

This is the first picture to be released officially by Douglas showing the layout of one proposed version of the DC-10. Passenger arrangements are for two-aisle cabins with seven-abreast seating on the upper and eight-abreast seating in the lower deck.

Source: Flight International March 3, 1966 p. 335.
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1966/1966%20-%200566.html?search=DC-10

They should have built this one!

SP

And made sure they got the cargo hatch right...

 

[Graham1973]

Artist's impression of Douglas D-956-13 from 1965. Note onboard lounge.

The first design with the name DC-10 was very different from the trijet that eventually bore the designation. This doubledecker design invites comparison with the Airbus A380; fancy onboard lounges are not a new idea! Source: Terry Waddington, McDonnel Douglas DC-10 (Miami: World Transport Press), 2000

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1131353000048918155rOFmxM

This one intrigues me, does anyone know if a full interior plan survives of this one. I'm guessing from the shape of the dining lounge it's on the upper deck.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Douglas D-963 was a double deck airliner project and D-964 was a single deck
airliner project,all proceeded the DC-10.


Also here is a drawings to D-966 (clearer view than the Triton displaying),D-967,
D-968 and early projects led to develop DC-10.


Great Airliners; McDonnell Douglas DC-10

 

[hesham]

Also,


here is the D-966 profile drawing,basic cross section alternatives for D-950 and
the final rear engine locations.

 

[Mark Nankivil]

Greetings All -

Here's a larger 3 view and artwork for the D-966 out of Aviation Week.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

 

[Nick Sumner]

So why did Douglas decide to fight it out with Lockheed in the tri-jet jumbo market rather than Boeing in the 4-jet jumbo market? Given the financial difficulties Boeing underwent trying to develop the 747, would Boeing have survived if Douglas had built the DC-10 as a 4 jet 747 competitor?

 

[hesham]

From La Fana 458,

here is a MD projects,the D-976C-20 was accommodated 230 passenger,the D-976C-22 was accommodated 267 passenger and the Douglas double deck project proceeded the DC-10,also early concept to DC-10.

 

[hesham]

From La Fana 458,

here is a MD projects,the D-976C-20 was accommodated 230 passenger,the D-976C-22
was accommodated 267 passenger and the Douglas double deck project proceeded the
DC-10,also early concept to DC-10.

My dear Arjen,

but as in La Fana 458,the D-976 was itself DC-10 ?.

 

[Arjen]

Thanks.

 

[RAP]

AWST June 1967,

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Apparently this drawing is the Douglas D-950..

Source: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7485474

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Merged this topic with the Early DC-10 projects topic.

 

[hesham]

From aviation magazine 1965.