Dornier P222/9-08 Stuka

[Wurger]

Hi guys,

from Pierre Gaillard`s "Les Avions Dornier". The first picture, according the book, relates to the above designation, the second to the P223, but I believe they are the same. M. Gaillard adds the lenght as 15,35m and the span as 16,50m. More ammo for you, Peter |

 

[Flitzer]

Ammo indeed....beautifully weird.
I love this game. It's been a very productive day so far.


Any date for this one?


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[Wurger]

Not included in the text, but my educated guess would be 1939, 1940 as terminus ad quem.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Ugly

 

[Wurger]

Justo said

Ugly

By no means ! In Portugal we have a saying: "whom who loves the ugly beautifull it looks to him" .

 

[Jemiba]

As you haven't posted a side-view, I suspect there's none ?

 

[Wurger]

Not at all, I`m afraid.

 

[toura]

No 3 views......what a pity !

 

[Jemiba]

Then we'll could use this one as food for thought, comments and critics welcome.

 

[Wurger]

I must say that it is...Super ! The long tail is mostly the airbrake, by the way. Dornier excelled in that matter with the Do217. Well done!

 

[Flitzer]

Hi
I've started doing the keyline drawings.
Top view done so far.


The side cockpit reminds me of an old British bus cab.


I'm wondering as to the route or exit for the exhausts due to the cockpit position. I feel they may be routed down to exit on the underside, any thoughts?


Also is the turret glazed or an automated solid shell type?


Many thanks
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[Michel Van]

I'm wondering as to the route or exit for the exhausts due to the cockpit position. I feel they may be routed down to exit on the underside, any thoughts?
Many thanks
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My guess is that tube like thing what goes from engine in right direction

 

[Stargazer]

This project somehow looks to me like an ancestor of the Fairchild A-10...

 

[Jemiba]

Also is the turret glazed or an automated solid shell type?

I think, it would have been a remotely controlled type with a solid cover, very similar to the one
fitted to the Ar 240.
(cutout from http://freercplans.com/data/media/18/arado240_3v.jpg )

 

[blackkite]

Good and interesting activities.

 

[Flitzer]

A little more.
Now we have a basic 3-view.


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[Jemiba]

From "Rohrwaffen in Flugzeugen der Luftwaffe bis 1945 - Waffenstände", Waffen-Arsenal issue 188,
two turrets for the Ar 240, one with two MG 131, the other with a single MG 151/20.

 

[Avimimus]

Any explanation for the tailboom - I feeling that this must be a twin engined design - but it doesn't feel right...

 

[Umble]

It's a dive brake - I'm sure it was tried on one of the Junkers x88 developments but wasn't overly successful.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Hi

 

[Justo Miranda]

Hi

 

[Justo Miranda]

Hi

 

[Jemiba]

It's a dive brake - I'm sure it was tried on one of the Junkers x88 developments but wasn't overly successful.

A good explanation of this type of dive brake can be found here:
http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt08/german-airplane-do-217.html
AFAIK in the Do 217 this dive brake was unpopular, because it caused twisting of the whole tail !

 

[Avimimus]

Thanks guys

 

[Flitzer]

Wow...
I'm very glad to report that this looks like it will be business as usual ;D .


Loads of invaluable information and references.
I've got 'her' in photoshop as we speak.




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[Skyraider3D]

Awesome.


Justo, that NC.420 is new to me. Wow... how fugly... beautiful... I don't know, it confuses me! ;D

 

[Flitzer]

I like that word...fugly.


Progress as attached.


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[Jemiba]

Already looks great.
A detail, I'm not quite sure about is the height of the turret. It's higher, than those used in the Ar 240,
but that may be determined by the position at the edge of the fuselage. Maybe a fixed cylindrical part
under the rotatable turret ?

 

[Flitzer]

Good idea Jens.
Will add as I progress the profile.


I'm sure there will be a number of adjustments on this one.


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[hole in the ground]

It might be just me looking at things wonkily but is that tail wheel long enough to prevent a tail strike on landing?

 

[Justo Miranda]

Hi

 

[Flitzer]

It might be just me looking at things wonkily but is that tail wheel long enough to prevent a tail strike on landing?

Good eyes Hole in the ground.


I'll fix it.
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[Flitzer]

Thanks Justo...


I just did the same thing. I'm learning .
So I'll leave it I think.


Plus a bit of colour and light and shade added.


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[Skyraider3D]

Great progress!

I think it wouldn't hurt using the slightly lengtened tail gear. A pilot misjudging his three-point landing by a couple of degrees... could be expensive...

 

[blackkite]

Good work Justo and Flitzer!
Thanks for sharing us. It's very impressive design. Forward view at dive is excellent.

 

[Flitzer]

Thanks Blackkite.


Another question or two...?
What date or at least year is given for this design. I assume it's pre 1940?
Therefore would movable surfaces be fabric covered or was it an all metal skin affair?


Many thanks.
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[Jemiba]

I think, the movable surfaces of the Ju 87 already were metal skinned. May have been
an attempt to strengthen them against the aerodynamic loads during a dive. I read somewhere,
that sometimes fabric covered rudders or ailerons sustained damages during prolonged and steep
dives.
About the date pre-1940 seems to be realistic to me. That type of dive brake already was developed
for the D 217 and the development of remotely controlled gun turrets also was under way.

 

[Flitzer]

Thanks Jens.


I'll do all metal surfaces.
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[Wurger]

Not included in the text, but my educated guess would be 1939, 1940 as terminus ad quem.

 

[Flitzer]

Thanks Wurger.
My old dylsexia again and being too lazy to read all the text.


In the meantime, a progress report...
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