DF-105/Clovis

[ysi_maniac]

This is an excelent site: http://mainbattletanks.czweb.org/indexeng.htm
In International projects there is an entry on a French-German project called Clovis. Does anyone have any info?

 

[DanielStarseer]

Somewhere at home I have one of those 1990s era Jane's pocket AFV recognition guides, and one features a pic and brief description of the Clovis in the Addendum in the back of the book.

It appeared to be a German Marder MICV chassis equipped with a 2-man turret mounting what looked distinctly like the single-baffel muzzle brake of the 90/46 KEnerga gun.

I'm sure a Jane's Armour & Artillery from that timeframe (early/mid 1990s) would have more info about it...

Best I can do on short notice...

 

[Petrus]

This is an excelent site: http://mainbattletanks.czweb.org/indexeng.htm
In International projects there is an entry on a French-German project called Clovis.

I'm afraid that the entry in the Czech website contains no information whatsoever.

Piotr

 

[CostasTT]

Clovis. This proposal integrates the Schützenpanzer Marder with the FL-20 turret mounting a 105 millimeter cannon. This proposal went dormant in 1988.

http://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/mv/mv10994.htm

 

[TomS]

My 1992-93 Jane's Armour and Artillery confirms the Forecast International info and says Clovis was described in more detail in the 1987-88 edition (pages 37-38). Not much, but at least that gives you a source to look for.

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

This is the DF-105, a pretty straight-forward design, combining the Marder 1's hull with the FL-15 turret of late model AMX-13. It was meant to be a tank destroyer. Was it ever produced? If not, why? Also, does anyone have any more information regarding this tank?

The French AMX-13 Tank - TankNutDave.com

The French AMX-13 Tank was the first mass produced tank to use an auto-loader for the main gun. It was designed to support French airbourne operations.

tanknutdave.com

 

[TomS]

Jane's Armour and Artillery 1992-93 has a very brief entry:

Marder/Dragon Chassis with FL-15 Turret.

In mid-1983, for trials purposes, the chassis of the Marder/Dragon was fitted with the new French Fives-Cail Babcock FL-105 turret armed with a 105 mm gun. In 1985 a Marder chassis was fitted with the new FL-20 turret. This version never entered production.

It also mentions a Marder 1 with the FL-20 turret also called the Clovis Combat Vehicle. I assume the Clovis was another name for the Marder with FL-20 mentioned above. Details in the 1987-88 edition. It too did not enter production.

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

Jane's Armour and Artillery 1992-93 has a very brief entry:

Marder/Dragon Chassis with FL-15 Turret.

In mid-1983, for trials purposes, the chassis of the Marder/Dragon was fitted with the new French Fives-Cail Babcock FL-105 turret armed with a 105 mm gun. In 1985 a Marder chassis was fitted with the new FL-20 turret. This version never entered production.

It also mentions a Marder 1 with the FL-20 turret also called the Clovis Combat Vehicle. I assume the Clovis was another name for the Marder with FL-20 mentioned above. Details in the 1987-88 edition. It too did not enter production.

This must be it:

 

[TomS]

Yep, that's the one.

Beware some of the Warthunder-related pages about DF-105. The first hit on Google claims that the vehicle was manufactured in 1979, which would be a good trick since the FL-15 turret didn't exist publicly until 1983.

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

That's were I got the second picture from, but I didn't go through the site.

 

[dan_inbox]

Maybe merge this thread with existing one?

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/clovis.9416/

Done

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

Agreed.