Dassault LO research

[Antonio]

From French aerospace mag Air&Cosmos July 1994. I made this drawing based on the magazine article.

Can anybody post the original pic and additional information on Dassault post-Rafale studies in the 90's?

 

[Jemiba]

The only picture I've found showing a Dassault stealth concept is from
the FlugRevue .12.99 and is designated "Future Avion de Combat Europeén",
short FACE.

 

[JAZZ]

Dassault FACE project...it was more focused on UCAV development rather than a manned aircraft.

 

[Deino]

From French aerospace mag Air&Cosmos July 1994. I made this drawing based on the magazine article.

Can anybody post the original pic and additional information on Dassault post-Rafale studies in the 90's?

This picture is from the book: "Dassault - L'Enterprise - 1945-1995 ... 50 ans d'aventure aéronautique" (C. Carlier / L. Berger) - Vol. 1 (page: 186)

... but sorry, nothing more !

Deino

 

[flateric]

found in some presentation

 

[Matej]

THANKS!!!!!!!! This seems to be a part of FACE program - the primary thing, that I want to ask about at the Le Bourget.

 

[Deltafan]

Very interesting !

I didn't know the first, the third and the fifth

It was told about the second here : http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=162.0
I saw the fourth, probably in the weekly french magazine Air & Cosmos

Was the fifth designed before or after the second ?

 

[Deltafan]

The fourth is a Dassault file shown on Air & Cosmos n°1764 from 29/09/2000. It's a study for the project AVE (Aeronef de validation experimentale = aircraft for experimental validation ?) UAV.

The project foresaw a mix operational flight with one Rafale to command any AVE-UAVs.

 

[Antonio]

AVE reduced scale model

(source: AW&ST October 2000)

 

[Antonio]

FACE concept from AWST February 2000

according to the test, FACE was a light fighter which could complement the Rafale and Typhoon by 2018

 

[Woody]

Does anybody know why gull wings are surposed to be stealthy (as in Flateric's forth image and the Boeing Bird of Prey)?

Cheers, Woody

PS. Thanks for the pictures.

 

[Matej]

Probably it (just one wing ) is used as some sort of compensation of the missing vertical tail surfaces and for the better directional stability.

 

[Matej]

Something from Stephen Trimble.

It's only an artist's concept, but this vision (see bottom left-corner, below) of a French fifth-generation strike aircraft definitely caught my attention. The slide appeared during Dassault's press briefing on the Rafale. I didn't have my best camera, it was a dark room, and I had a bad angle, so this is the best I could do with the image. It makes you wonder what else Dassault is thinking about after the Rafale and the unmanned nEUROn demonstrator.

Picture is in low quality, so its difficult to guess (even if its manned or not) but it has shape close to the AVE-D and Grand Duc. It seems logical, considering that the Grand Duc was originally the final full-scale product.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/04/laad11-latin-americas-biggest.html

 

[Michel Van]

Picture is in low quality, so its difficult to guess (even if its manned or not) but it has shape close to the AVE-D and Grand Duc. It seems logical, considering that the Grand Duc was originally the final full-scale product.
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/04/laad11-latin-americas-biggest.html

i photoshop the picture

 

[Matej]

So did I with the powerfull software package, however the combination of low quality camera and dark shadows means a lot of jpeg compression, so the important data were lost. However, if it is unmanned, I am almost sure it represents AVE-D shape.

 

[InvisibleDefender]

So did I with the powerfull software package, however the combination of low quality camera and dark shadows means a lot of jpeg compression, so the important data were lost. However, if it is unmanned, I am almost sure it represents AVE-D shape.

I thought the same thing. Appears to be very similiar in shape.

 

[Deltafan]

Hi everybody,

On a French website, a forumer showed us today a video from a Dassault advertising DVD dating from June 2001.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etDiJ2_l3ak


At the end of the video (7'05"), there is an unknown Dassault stealth fighter study/concept, with a "V" tail and "forward swept" air intakes.

Does anyone in the audience know about this concept ?

(I send PM to MIRAGE 4000, alanqua and JC Carbonel to draw their attention to this topic )

 

[hesham]

Here it's;

Group News - Dassault Aviation

Find all Dassault Aviation Group news. © Dassault Aviation - ERIDIA/ A. Paringaux/ V. Almansa

www.dassault-aviation.com

 

[Deltafan]

Here it's;

Group News - Dassault Aviation

Find all Dassault Aviation Group news. © Dassault Aviation - ERIDIA/ A. Paringaux/ V. Almansa

www.dassault-aviation.com

hi Hesham.

I don't think. The unknow study is on a Dassault's DVD advertising from 2001 ("Dépot légal : Dassault-Aviation juin 2001", at the end of the video). This drawing shows us a Dassault NGF/FCAS version of 2019.

 

[Jason Dykstra (Wyvern)]

Was about to comment similar thoughts. The NGF is far too recent for it to be the one in the DVD. It is possible however, that is is a French equivalent to the F-35 (or JSF, to be more accurate), though this is pure speculation.

 

[JC Carbonel]

I would have said the same.... an antecedent to the current SCAF design ? Circa the turn of the century PopMech had postulated that beyond the Petit-Duc drone was a Grand-duc manned aircraft. This rather poor picture looks rather reminiscent of the Duc series but with the intakes on the side instead that on the top ?

JCC

 

[hesham]

I think there was a picture by that time to a stealth Dassault design,I
saw it in a magazine,but where ?,when I get my memory back,I remember
this.

 

[flateric]

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/dassault-stealth-fighter-concepts.162/

 

[PW1989]

Stealth technologies - British, Swedish and French aviation projects and solutions

Military aviation, stealth technologies and projects in Europe - British, Swedish and French approach such as BAe Replica, FOAS, FCAC, Nightjar, Chameleon, FACE, stealthified Gripend and Rafale...

www.hitechweb.genezis.eu

 

[flateric]

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[Deltafan]

Thanks a lot @flateric .

I did not know this one :