Cost of light fleet carriers?

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Trying to figure out which countries could actually handle the cost of light fleet carriers in 1946-60, so do we have any actual data at what prices the Colossus and Majestic class ships were sold by Britain in 1946-60? And for that matter how much their modernization with angled fight decks and steam catapults cost?
 
According to Jane's 1960-61 . . .
  • Melbourne (ex-Majestic) cost £A8,309,000 when completed in 1955. It doesn't say how much the Australian Taxpayer paid for Sydney (ex-Terrible) which was completed in 1949.
    • The price for Melbourne is in Australian Pounds and the exchange rate in the 1950s was £1 Sterling = £1.25 Australian.
    • So does that mean £A8,309,000 x 1.25 = £10,386,250 Sterling?
  • The purchase cost of Minas Gerais (ex-Vengeance) was $16,000,000 and her reconstruction was to cost $15,000,000.
    • In this case $ = Brazilian Reals.
    • I don't know the exchange rate for the Pound Sterling to the Brazilian Real in the 1950s.
  • The cost of reconstructing Karel Doorman (ex-Venerable) 1955-58 was 25 million Guilders instead of the 11 million Guilders originally appropriated. It doesn't say how much the Dutch Government paid when it purchased the ship from the UK.
    • Vengeance and Venerable were the most extensively rebuilt of the Colossus & Majestic classes.
    • I don't know the exchange rate for the Pound Sterling to the Dutch Guilder in the 1950s.
  • It doesn't say how much Argentina paid for Independencia (ex-Warrior) of how much the British Taxpayer paid for her 1952-53 and 1955-56 refits.
  • It doesn't say how much Canada paid for Bonaventure (ex-Powerful) in 1952 and it doesn't say how much it cost to complete her between 1952 and 1957.
  • It doesn't say how much France paid for Arromanches (ex-Colossus) and it doesn't say how much her 1950-51 and 1957-58 refits cost.
  • It doesn't say how much India paid for Vikrant (ex-Hercules) or how much it was costing to complete her.
 
I seem to remember Brazil paid for a lot of its arms purchases with Sterling reserves that it had built.
That was always the problem with Latin American sales, they paid in Sterling but the Treasury wanted sweet, sweet American Dollars.
 
I seem to remember Brazil paid for a lot of its arms purchases with Sterling reserves that it had built.
That was always the problem with Latin American sales, they paid in Sterling but the Treasury wanted sweet, sweet American Dollars.
And to make matters worse Jane's 1961-62 has different figures. It says that the purchase cost of Minas Gerais was $9,000,000 and that the cost of reconstruction was $27,000,000 for a total of $36,000,000 when the total in Jane's 1960-61 was $16,000,000 plus $15,000,000 equals $31,000,000.
 
A few things to add in here. Some of these light fleet carriers were picked up used, this is the case for both of Argentina's ships and Brazil's as well. This will affect the acquisition price, although the cost of major upgrades is still very hefty.

Another major cost will be the air wing, these light fleet carriers can only operate a handful of types: Sea Hawk, Sea Venom, Banshee, A4 Skyhawk and Harrier. Replacing these air wings puts a major cost and therefore decision point in front of the Governments involved. Such decisions points aren't just about cost, but also force structure and defence policy in general.

Manning can be difficult for these medium navies. even if they have the cash. The RAN rejected the offer of the Hermes in 1968 because the RAN wouldn't have been able to man it (or at least not easily).

Finally there's a big difference between what a government 'can' afford and what it 'wants to' afford. Below is a chart from UK Public spending. It shows that while defence spending doubled (1.8b-3.5b) between 1956 and 1972, the years Britain couldn't afford all sorts of important strategic capabilities, it also shows that public spending on the rest of government quadrupled (5.6b - 22.9b). To break this down further, new acquisition is between 25-40% of the force's budget, more for the Navy and Air Forces and less for the Army. It's hard to believe that when a few extra tens of millions would have seen the CVA01 enter service that the government couldn't have found it in the 30b they spent elsewhere in 1967 and 1968.

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Hm. If I recall correctly, Hermes operated Sea Vixens?

The OP was talking about Colossus and Majestic classes, not the 50% larger Centaur class.

Of course the Centaur class does expand the types of aircraft available, however not so much that it can operate F4s, F8s or F/A18s.
 
Finally there's a big difference between what a government 'can' afford and what it 'wants to' afford.
As aptly demonstrated by the GFC, COVID pandemic and the West's spending on the Russian-Ukraine Conflict......

Regards
Pioneer
 
Trying to figure out which countries could actually handle the cost of light fleet carriers in 1946-60, so do we have any actual data at what prices the Colossus and Majestic class ships were sold by Britain in 1946-60? And for that matter how much their modernization with angled fight decks and steam catapults cost?
Interesting Lascaris

Naturally hindsight is a wonderful thing and I very much appreciate that the Post-WWII proliferation of purchasing small/light aircraft carriers was spurred by their availability - both completed and semi-completed hulls. But I can't help but wonder if the demonstrated expertise of the Royal Navy operating aircraft carriers during the war couldn't have used this firsthand knowledge and expertise to openly promote that such small/light carriers were limited in their true operational/ practical scope.....hence, using, promoting the building of slightly larger, more practice design of light carrier, rather than the limited 'makeshift' Colossus and Majestic-class which would more easily allow for the incorporation of the inevitable larger and heavier carrier-based aircraft. For as clearly seen, almost all these fledgling navies that inspired to join the carrier club purchased their carriers at a good initial price, then had to find additional money in almost immediately needing to modify them, in a sense negating the bargain aspect of the initial purchase....

Sorry, I'm just thinking out aloud....

Regards
Pioneer
 
It doesn't say how much France paid for Arromanches (ex-Colossus) and it doesn't say how much her 1950-51 and 1957-58 refits cost

The French bought Arromanches in March 1951 for £1.5 million… about £40 million in 2024 pounds. Sounds like a steal.

Note that the USN Independence class CVLs were an even better deal - La Fayette (ex-Langley) was transferred in 1951 for free under the US MDAP program.
 
I think that these light fleet carriers weren't designed to have 20+ year peacetime service lives. Not could they anticipate the introduction of jet aircraft with much higher take-off and landing speeds that, even more than higher weights, necessitated the adoption of the angled deck and steam catapult. Given these design constraints having these ships last into the 60s and some even well beyond is quite a success story.
 
FWIW, Canada paid the UK $21 million for the incomplete HMS Powerful. Another $10M CAD was required for modifications and completion as HMCS Bonaventure. Those figures, of course, are in 1952 CAD.

The 1952 exchange rate was 1 x CAD = 0.36480 GBP, so ...

- $ 21 M CAD (1952) = £ 7.66 M GBP (1952) +
- $ 10 M CAD (1952) = £ 3.65 M GBP (1952); for
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- $31M CAD (1952) = £11.31M GBP (1952) Total
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Conversion to Current CAD


- $ 21M CAD (1952) = $ 241.00 M CAD (2024)
- $ 10M CAD (1952) = $ 114.75 M CAD (2024); for
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- $ 31M CAD (1952) = $ 355.73 M CAD (2024) Total
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Conversion to Current GBP

£ 7.66 M GBP (1952) = £186.51 M GBP (2024)
£ 3.65 M GBP (1952) = £ 88.87 M GBP (2024); for
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£11.31 M GBP (1952) = £275.38 M GBP (2024) Total
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