Civil Short Sarafand

[JFC Fuller]

The Short Sarafand was a huge all metal flying boat biplane designed as an RAF ocean patrol aircraft powered by 6 Rolls Royce Buzzards. However in addition to this there was apparently a plan for a monoplane civil version (I assume the usual airliner/mail carrier configuration). I assume that the type would have had the same powerplant. I am particularly fascinated by this prospect as alongside the cancelled White Star Line Oceanic III Liner and the Imperial Airship R.102 is represents the third pillar of a 1920's/30's grandiosity in transport. Does anybody know where more information could be found (especially a drawing) of the civil monoplane Sarafand?

Short Sarafand: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1935/1935%20-%201403.html

White Star Line Oceanic III: http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/Oceanic%20III.htm

R.102 Airship: http://www.aht.ndirect.co.uk/airships/R102/Index.html

 

[airman]

always about proposed rms Oceanic III about 1928
http://titanic-model.com/models/edwards/

 

[Schneiderman]

Thread back from the dead #3

It is distinctly possible that Short may have drawn up such an aircraft to spec. 20/28. This was awarded to Supermarine for the Type 179 'Giant' - an all-metal monoplane powered by six Buzzards. Blackburn also submitted a design to the same spec.

 

[blackkite]

Excellent site for Sarafand, an enlarged development of the Singapore II. Radiator had shutter.
I can't find Sarafand three side view drawing.
https://oldmachinepress.com/2015/02/09/short-s-14-sarafand/

http://alternathistory.com/opytnaya-letayushchaya-lodka-short-s14-sarafand-velikobritaniya

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft32906.htm

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/SHORT-SARAFAND-FLYING-BOAT-BERNARD-W-CHURCH-ARTIST-DRAWN-POSTCARD-/372104984313?hash=item56a32f76f9:g:6rwAAOSwhMFZrZ3D

Singapore
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft26193.htm

"there was apparently a plan for a monoplane civil version"

 

[Schneiderman]

. Does anybody know where more information could be found (especially a drawing) of the civil monoplane Sarafand?

Nothing in detail but I have located a series of calculated performance charts for Imperial Airways flying boats and land airliners to be powered by Armstrong Siddeley Tigers, with 4, 5 or 6 installed. They date from 1932. I cannot find any evidence to suggest that Short were working on any large monoplane designs prior to 1930, so a possible 'Sarafand monoplane' would be a rather late concept and not a contender to 20/28 as I suggested earlier.

 

[blackkite]

I think that radiator hatch are full open at take off, and ajar at cruise to reduce drag.

Sarafand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Sarafand

Singapore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Singapore

 

[Schneiderman]

Gentlemen, lets try and resolve once and for all whether there ever was a proposal for a monoplane Sarafand. Can anyone give a reference to a source for the information? I suspect that it is just an urban myth but would like to have that confirmed or denied.
As far as I am aware there are no primary sources - original Air Min or Short documents, no secondary sources - books or articles that make reference to having seen such documents. That leaves tertiary sources, which may or may not be reliable.