The Chinese F-100 Super Sabre!How about a thread on the J-12 ? I noticed that there was none !
It is a jet that I like very much and I will try to collect in this thread some interesting things about it.
I started to work with Inkscape and I hope to make color profiles of J-12 under the cockades of countries where it could have flown: Sudan, Tanzania, Somalia, North Korea ....
Isn't this rather a fictitious artist's view ?
Isn't this rather a fictitious artist's view ?
I don't believe there was a "F-12II" project like this ?
I believe that it is a STOL variant, which was one of the primary ideas for the project, due to the presence of the doors on the upper dorsal part of the fuselage, similar to those fitted to the Su-15VD as seen in this pic. The J-12 was initially a day fighter only with no radar provision, but later was fitted with a centre body for the same radar as the early MiG-21, which was being built in China as the J-7.First, a three view blueprint !
What is the version of the J-12 on the bottom ?
actually J -12 may be more similar to Gnat, but a much more powerful versionThe Chinese F-100 Super Sabre!How about a thread on the J-12 ? I noticed that there was none !
It is a jet that I like very much and I will try to collect in this thread some interesting things about it.
I started to work with Inkscape and I hope to make color profiles of J-12 under the cockades of countries where it could have flown: Sudan, Tanzania, Somalia, North Korea ....
See post#13I am working on a text about J-12 where I am trying
Wahoo, what a great article !See post#13I am working on a text about J-12 where I am trying
update: it was only a proposal by the designer of the q-5 and some other aircraft
Basically the idea was, that well-dispersed and camouflaged force of light interceptors would be able to hamper enemy superior air forces by performig individual daylight hit-and-run attacks. It would force the enemy to be cautious and defensive, escorting its strike wings with fighters (which, over the wast areas of China would not be easy). Likely they took inspiration from North Vietnam fighters - which mere existence created a lot of troubles for Americans.
I'd argue that what caused problems for the Americans in Vietnam was the Rules of Engagement requiring a positive visual ID of an aircraft before they could engage. No long-range shots with Sparrows.
True, but Chinese worked from what they knew. They presumed that in case of war with either USA or USRR (or both) their small and outdared PLAAF would be in essentially the same position as Vietnamese against USAF. And they tried to extrapopate from that experience.
But what's the difference?
It could be argued that in case of major war with nuclear power - such as China - the USAF would be more willing to accept losses from friendly fire, if it would lead to more damage inflicted to the enemy.
Did he by chance ever work on the CXP-1001?
This would explain the abundance of light and cost-effective Chinese fighter designs I've run into on the internet. I think this was a smart proposal given the circumstances.
Yes, according to the official biography of Lu Xiaopeng, while he was in Gloster, he participated in the design of the CXP-1001 and was responsible for the overall design plan. However, the leader of the Chinese design team later excluded him from the overall design team and reassigned him to tail design, which left him very disappointed and saddened.I personally speculate that this experience was also one of the important reasons why he later chose to go to the mainland instead of Taiwan.
I'm not sure that's a good understanding of how air combat works, but when absolutely everything must be written with the correct Communist ideology...
Frankly, the main reason was that China was finally able to start a Chengdu J7 (a Mig-21 derivative) mass production by 1970s, and those Mach 2 fighters were just better than Nanchang J-12, while not being too costly and complicated. The J-12 was left without a clear function; producing additional light fighter with limited performance "just to have it" was too expensive for China.
It was more a case of "something that MIGHT work against overwhelming odds". As I mentioned above, PLAAF concluded out of Vietnam War experience, that large airbases would likely be relatively quickly attacked and destroyed by much superior American or Soviet aviation. So they hoped to counter the superior opponent by dispersing a large number of light fighters on well-camouflaged positions - so they could not be taken out at once while on land - and use them as ambush force, that would pop-up, strike a convenient target & run away. The main idea was, that the mere possibility of such attack would force the opponent to be more cautious, provide his strike groups with heavy escorts and thus seriously hinder his operations.
