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Hey ... we don't have a specific tread on Chinese ASM's and since yesterday the first image of the long rumoured YJ-12 was posted ....


Deino
 

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YJ-12 missile only launched by H-6K or new bomber


PLA NAVY have a new joint common anti-ship missile,YJ-18
 

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Hmmm ... ;)
 

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IMO not !
 

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Deino, wouldn't you agree that on the pic you posted the forward fins look rather more sweeped than on the rendering above it?
 
chuck4 said:
Looks like it has Kh-31 ancestery.
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sferrin said:
Sunburn variant?
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Actually, it looks like an amalgam of both, in terms of configuration AND size. While it's much larger than the Kh-31 it also isn't quite as huge as the Kh-41, and while the location of the fins matches the latter, their planform is more like the former.
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Deino, wouldn't you agree that on the pic you posted the forward fins look rather more sweeped than on the rendering above it?
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No, looks like the trailing edge area has been painted black on the real missile.
 
Here's supposedly a test of the YJ-18. Quite interesting to see it doing anti-intercept maneuvering before it hits the target. ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o3taU59z05A

Deino
 
Wow, must be serious lateral 'g' in that manoeuvre if the Mach 3 terminal velocity is correct.

Another challenge at that speed is fusing and detonating the warhead when passage through the beam of a destroyer will take 0.06 seconds...
 
Maneuver: don't dismiss the possibility of a fudged video sequence.
This does not at all look like an M3 terminal attack : I'd say this is a subsonic missile.
The missile fired at the beginning looks an awful lot like an Exocet (aspect ratio and wing arrangement).
Maybe you meant YJ-81 (quite similar to Exocet)??
 
You are correct that in a the sequences before not only the YJ-83 but also the older 'Kraken' is seen during launch ... but the final hit is (at least said to be) the new YJ-18.
 
Deino said:
You are correct that in a the sequences before not only the YJ-83 but also the older 'Kraken' is seen during launch ... but the final hit is (at least said to be) the new YJ-18.
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It looks longer than the target is wide, and doesn't explode until it's exited the back side of the target. ???
 
Not sure if the label is correct but that's how it was listed.
 

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sferrin said:
Not sure if the label is correct but that's how it was listed.
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So You think the YJ-18 might be a Chinese version of the CM-400AKG ??

Deino
 
Deino said:
sferrin said:
Not sure if the label is correct but that's how it was listed.
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So You think the YJ-18 might be a Chinese version of the CM-400AKG ??

Deino
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Not at all. What little I can find would indicate the YJ-18 is an SS-N-27/Sizzler/3M-54 Klub in Chinese colors. When looking for "YJ-18" that CM-400AKG also came up so I thought I'd put it up here. No clue what it is or what it's for. Was hoping somebody could shed some light.
 
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It is an air-launched conventional SRBM. The conventional Kh-15 or the mooted air-launched ATACMs would probably be the closest equivalents.

Seems to be derived from the SY-400 SRBM, an earlier product from the same manufacturer which was not adopted by the PLA.

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Association with PLA cruise missiles is limited to "carrier killer" hyperbole.
 
Was I seeing things or did it detonate AFTER passing through the ship?
 
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Was I seeing things or did it detonate AFTER passing through the ship?
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Yep. All kinds of questions about that segment. Look at the size of the missile compared to the width of the "ship".
 
Might it be unspent fuel igniting, rather than a warhead? Assuming it was a test shot so no warhead would be required.
 
Void said:
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It is an air-launched conventional SRBM. The conventional Kh-15 or the mooted air-launched ATACMs would probably be the closest equivalents.
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First sighting of this missile under a PAF JF-17 ... even if most likely only a mock-up or captive test an impressive weapon.

By the way the design of the fins has been changed.

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http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150811/1025641303/china-missile-launcher-vehicle.html
 
First image of a YJ-12 launch (or at least drop) off a H-6G ....
 

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Seems as if the new YJ-12 is not as huge as expected at first ... Just take a look at a YJ-83K under a H-6G and a YJ-12 under the same bomber at roughly the same size it is larger by a factor of 1.46. Given a length of the air-lunched YJ-83K of 5.14 m I come to an estimated length of about 7.52 m !

What do You think ??

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Unless those two images were taken at the same distance and focal length that isn't a terribly reliable way to estimate size...
 
Void said:
Unless those two images were taken at the same distance and focal length that isn't a terribly reliable way to estimate size...
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Yes, but was only a first attempt ... by the way the WW II victory parade on 3. September might solve thyt mystery.
 

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Are there any OSINT guestimates of the YJ-12 launch weight? Or better length/width estimates now that it has been out in the while for a while?
 
A thousand a day, as noted one every 90 seconds or so, is an astronomical number that requires a bit of evidence for me to believe. Which type(s)? What delivery vehicle(s)? Does the PLAN/AF/RF have the capacity to launch that per day? If not why would you have anything like that capacity?
 
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A thousand a day, as noted one every 90 seconds or so, is an astronomical number that requires a bit of evidence for me to believe. Which type(s)? What delivery vehicle(s)? Does the PLAN/AF/RF have the capacity to launch that per day? If not why would you have anything like that capacity?
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Given an individual missile will take far more than 90s to assemble and check, even with the parts in front of you, you would have to have a massively parallel production line. Those automated delivery carts might look cute (think I first saw that multi-directional wheel design in the early 70s), but fast they aren't. So if the parts aren't arriving speedily at the work stations, how is it sustainable over a number of hours/days/weeks.

I wonder if we might be looking at someone multiplying up a single stunt number - cf building the SS Robert E Peary in 4 days 16 hours.
 

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