Shenyang J-16

[TAKHISS]

Real J-16,a upgraded version of Su-30MKK

 

[TAKHISS]

SU-30MKK and J-16

 

[Foxglove]

The pic real or not, the fact is that Shenyang is developing an LO version of the Flanker, perhaps the designation's different, J-18, J-19? One way or another, we'll soon see the Silent Flanker up close, and without doubt.

 

[Deino]

The pic real or not, the fact is that Shenyang is developing an LO version of the Flanker, perhaps the designation's different, J-18, J-19? One way or another, we'll soon see the Silent Flanker up close, and without doubt.

What makes You so sure of that !?

Even if I'm too more than interested in such a design, but even if I'm also interested in the often rumoured J-10-carrier vesion, the Super-J-10 and other projects we should be so serious that even China has no unlimited founds and as such several of these might surely have been "projects" but what in the end will finally evolve in hardware is a completely different story.

Just my two cents.

Deino

 

[flanker]

The pic real or not, the fact is that Shenyang is developing an LO version of the Flanker, perhaps the designation's different, J-18, J-19? One way or another, we'll soon see the Silent Flanker up close, and without doubt.

Nice rowing.

 

[chuck4]

The changes to su-27 shown in the CGI wouldn't seem to do much to reduce its observability, with that nice corner reflector between vertical tail fin and dorsal fin, and horizontal tail still there.


Also what's with the short and stubby nose Radom on a front fuselage that still has no strealth shaping?

 

[Matej]

Never ending story. To make Su-27 - radar - stealthy is as practical as trying to teach the fish to sing. You can lower its RCS a bit to reduce decectability range, but thats all. RUAF machines have RAM material on air intakes as example.

 

[Deino]

Reportedly the first J-116s entered service ...

 

[Deino]

And the dedicated EW-version had its maiden flight on 18. December.

 

[FighterJock]

And the dedicated EW-version had its maiden flight on 18. December.

Will the EW variant be capable of carrying anti-radiation missiles and other ordnance like the US Navy's Growler? Looking at the photo the jamming pods look slightly like the Russian jamming pods on the Su-34 or is that pure coincidence?

 

[Blitzo]

And the dedicated EW-version had its maiden flight on 18. December.

Will the EW variant be capable of carrying anti-radiation missiles and other ordnance like the US Navy's Growler? Looking at the photo the jamming pods look slightly like the Russian jamming pods on the Su-34 or is that pure coincidence?

They also look like the ALQ-218 ESM/ELINT pods of the EA-18G. I think they are probably more similar in role to the ALQ-218 than the pods which are sometimes seen onboard Su-34 (or indeed other flankers). The fact that the first prototype is making its maiden flight with a pair of EW pods I think says a lot about the kind of standard flying this thing is expected to do. If I remember right, the EA-18G made its maiden flight clean, apart from carrying a pair of ALQ-218 pods on its wingtips.

[edit: the pods on the J-16D's wingtips are quite interesting in appearance -- they seem somewhat similar to the ALQ-218 in overall geometry, but lack the "fins" of the ALQ-218, but each pod also features four small vertically oriented antennae. So it seems like quite an original design]

And yes, from the sound of it the J-16D will be to the J-16 what the EA-18G is to the F/A-18F: i.e. a dedicated EW/jamming/wild weasel aircraft. The kinds of modifications from J-16 to J-16D that we can see appear very similar to the mods from F/A-18F to EA-18G, such as removal of the internal gun and addition of a variety of antennae around the aircraft's fuselage.

All that is "lacking" is the inclusion of large jamming pods, but those will probably be added to the aircraft as flight tests progress. It will be interesting to see what sort of jamming pods they fit the aircraft with -- they could use the same ones that are used aboard JH-7/As for their escort and stand off jamming missions, but the advent of AESAs and the proliferation of the technology among the Chinese military's various arms since the mid 2000s makes me wonder if they'll be developing their own NGJ equivalent for J-16D.

 

[Deino]

Not exactly a J-16 but based on the J-16D EW-variant and the J-15 .. here's the J-15D aka J-17 which is already labelled by some enthusiasts as the 'Chinese-Growler'.
That name is indeed not too farfetched, since this type follows the same path, the EA-18G evolved from the F/A-18F. Following some reliable sources a first J-15D-testbed was already flown back in October 2016 and this particular aircraft is the first true prototype.
The J-15D is based on the dual seat trainer variant J-15S aircraft, which first flew on 3 November 2012 and the PLAAF EW variant J-16D.

Noticeable are two huge EW pods on its wingtips being either ESM or ELINT pods. Following the latest reports, the J-15S has been abandoned and merged with the J-15D into a multirole carrier variant J-17.

 

[helmutkohl]

according to this recent PLAAF interview, the pilot says the J-16 > Su-30

View: https://youtu.be/GLoBJskS_WQ


but I don't speak Mandarin, its just the translation from Alert. would like it to see if some one could clarify what he says.

but cant say I'm surprised. isn't the J-16 like 20 years newer than the Su-30MKK's the PLAAF received?

 

[AGS-1787]

Is he talking about the regular su-30, then yes, but what about the newer versions?

 

[Blitzo]

according to this recent PLAAF interview, the pilot says the J-16 > Su-30

View: https://youtu.be/GLoBJskS_WQ


but I don't speak Mandarin, its just the translation from Alert. would like it to see if some one could clarify what he says.

but cant say I'm surprised. isn't the J-16 like 20 years newer than the Su-30MKK's the PLAAF received?

Yes.
that part is basically just a standard "they look the same on outside, but very different on the inside" spiel that you would expect if one was asked to compare a modern F-15EX to an unupgraded 1990s F-15E.
It's unsurprising and not really of note.


The more interesting part in the interview is where the J-16 pilot says that in DACT versus J-10C, they were basically evenly matched with J-16's only advantage being that it had two engines and two pilots.
Basically confirms what we knew/suspected -- that the weapons systems, avionics, of J-16 and J-10C are of a similar generation and capability (obvious with the A2A weapons, they literally share the same suite), and that in context of DACT, the "advantages" J-16 has are basically related to the physical differences between the two aircraft (J-16 being twin engined and larger with whatever kinematic benefits that confers, and having a second crewmember with whatever benefits in situational awareness and intership communications it confers).

 

[Grey Havoc]

China to show off its new electronic-attack jet

A single example of the type, which is officially designated the Shenyang J-16D, has been parked at the static display area of the airshow in Guangdong Province ahead of the upcoming Zhuhai airshow.

www.defensenews.com

MELBOURNE, Australia – China is set to debut its dedicated electronic-attack aircraft on public display at the upcoming Zhuhai airshow, giving observers a first look at the newly developed type.

A single example of the type, which is officially designated the Shenyang J-16D, has been parked at the static display area of the airshow in Guangdong Province ahead of the event, which is due to run from Sept. 28 to Oct. 3 next to the city’s airport.

The twin-seat J-16D is based on the J-16 multirole strike fighter, which is itself a development of the J-11B interceptor and the Russian Sukhoi Su-30MK-series, both of which can trace their lineage back to the Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker interceptor.

 

[Deino]

Interesting image showing two PLAAF J-16s during take-off. Most interesting is that the right one has the old WS-10B with the short nozzle feathers, whereas the left one has the newer WS-10B Series 03 with the longer nozzle feathers.

(Image via Via http://81.cn)

 

[FighterJock]

Interesting image showing two PLAAF J-16s during take-off. Most interesting is that the right one has the old WS-10B with the short nozzle feathers, whereas the left one has the newer WS-10B Series 03 with the longer nozzle feathers.

(Image via Via http://81.cn)

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Why the difference in the engine nozzle feathers between the two engines Deino? Just curious.

 

[Deino]

Interesting image showing two PLAAF J-16s during take-off. Most interesting is that the right one has the old WS-10B with the short nozzle feathers, whereas the left one has the newer WS-10B Series 03 with the longer nozzle feathers.

(Image via Via http://81.cn)

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Why the difference in the engine nozzle feathers between the two engines Deino? Just curious.

Actually I have no clue …

 

[FighterJock]

Interesting image showing two PLAAF J-16s during take-off. Most interesting is that the right one has the old WS-10B with the short nozzle feathers, whereas the left one has the newer WS-10B Series 03 with the longer nozzle feathers.

(Image via Via http://81.cn)

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Why the difference in the engine nozzle feathers between the two engines Deino? Just curious.

Actually I have no clue …

Just as puzzled as I am Deino? I suppose someone with an engineering background on this forum will know the reason why.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

WS-10 nozzle was a bit old fashioned in design, and the latest series improves it a bit?

 

[FighterJock]

I suppose there is always the mighty Google to try and search and see if they have anything on the J-16 nozzle feathers.

 

[helmutkohl]

according to twitter
it seems the China has given official names for the following flankers
J-11 应龙 Ying Long (a kind of sky dragon)
J-16 潜龙 Qian Long (the submerged/stealthy water dragon)

continuing the trend of nicknames that use verb/adjective + animal

 

[totoro]

J-16 fighters spotted with the large AAM, the so called PL-17.
Being blue in color, they're training variants. Which would imply the missile itself may indeed be in active service. There were some media writeups to that extent last year but this may be the first time the missile is actually seen used by frontline unit aircraft.

 

[Josh_TN]

Question: Do J-16's have in flight refueling probes? Do J-11s for that matter? The PLAN J-15 definitely does, but it isn't clear if any of the land based versions did as well.

 

[Deino]

Question: Do J-16's have in flight refueling probes? Do J-11s for that matter? The PLAN J-15 definitely does, but it isn't clear if any of the land based versions did as well.

Surely it does ..