Caproni early aircraft

[Maveric]

Hi all,

once again a question about Caproni...
I don´t know project or not, but I search for pics or drawings of the following early Caproni aircraft Ca.52/Ca.54/Ca.55/Ca.78(sure project)/Ca.81(sure project)/Ca.88(real aircraft) and Ca.110(project).

Thanks Maveric

 

[Skybolt]

mm, maybe I have something, but I have to check. The late 20s aren't my favourite period.

 

[Maveric]

Yes, please check your archives. Thanks

 

[Skybolt]

Preliminary answer:
Ca.52: a minor variant of the Ca.51. Same engines.
Ca.88 one of the several variants of the Ca.3-Ca.80 family. Two I.F.Asso 500. Weight 5700 Kgs, Span 25 mts, lenght 15.20 Mts. Max speed 195 Kmh/h, ceiling 5500 mts.

 

[Aviostoria]

Caproni Ca.52
From: Caproni bombers in World War I - Paul Miano - Macchione Editor

The British Government requested the Italian authorities a few copies of the bomber triplane Caproni Ca 42
in order to evaluate it.
Caproni built 6 airplane designated Ca.52. Differed from the Italian model for mt. Lewis paired in the front seat of the fuselage and a spaceship for bombs sizes suitable for the British.
Machines received the serial RNAS from N526 to N531 and were used briefly by No. 6 Squadron in Otranto (Italy) and then returned to Italy.

 

[Aviostoria]

From: Caproni bombers in World War I - Paul Miano - Macchione Editore
Caproni Ca.52

 

[Skybolt]

Ahem, the correct name is "Paolo Miana".... I known him, nice guy.

 

[Aviostoria]

Sorry!!!

 

[Jan den Das]

Hi

I am interrested in Breda but has also a question which has to do with Caproni.
Its concerning the Pensuti-Caproni, the little 1919 triplane.
Now I found (the same or a new plane) the Breda-Pensuti.
The Pensuti-Caproni was powered by a 3 cylinder Anzani and the Breda-Pensuti by a 6 cylinder Anzani radial
What can you tell me, what do you have??
My interrests are: history/drawings/dimensions (as much as possible)/pictures/colors, but also construction details (and pictures/drawings which gives these details) technical information etc.
Thank for your help
Jan

 

[Maveric]

...from L+K 2008...

Breda-Pensuit B.1 Sp 4,00m / L 4,40m / H 2,90m / empty 180kg / TO 290kg / Vm 120km/h / Vmin 60km/h

Servus Maveric

 

[blackkite]

Empty 180kg! Very light weight.

 

[redstar72]

Here is a photo which I found somewhere. (If I remember correctly, I found it at one of Russian modelling forums, where somebody asked for identification...) Looks much similar to this Breda-Pensuti, but with some differences... Anybody knows what is it?

 

[ermeio]

[quote="redstar72"]
Here is a photo which I found somewhere. (If I remember correctly, I found it at one of Russian modelling forums, where somebody asked for identification...) Looks much similar to this [b]Breda-Pensuti,[/b] but with some differences... Anybody knows what is it?
[/quote]
This one is the Ricci Triplane R6, now on show at the Museo della scienza e della tecnica in Milan;
its concept was very similar to the Pensuti's, and the first of the series flew in 1918, near Naples.
The Ricci brothers also designed some very interesting projects, likea gull-wing hidroplaneproject
ermeio

 

[redstar72]

Thank you very much Ermeio!

 

[Maveric]

Thanks ermeio,

do you have more info´s about the Ricci brothers? And their planes and projects.

Maveric

 

[Maveric]

...found the two seat-version, named Breda-Pensuit B.2

 

[Jan den Das]

Maveric
Thanks for the pictures/drawings of the Pensuti's.
Do you have from the L+K article the history?
Has there been one or two Pensuti's (single seater)?
What do you haven concerning the used colors?
Again thanks,
Jan
ps. do you have information concerning other Breda planes?

 

[Skybolt]

Ahem, fellows, remember, not (too much) sponging here....

 

[ermeio]

I've opened a new thread about the Ricci Bros.
As regards the Pensuti triplanes, there wereat least 9 of them:
four versions of the first triplane and five of the second one, of which you can see a photo in this thread.
ermeio

 

[hesham]

Re: Caproni early projects

From my dear Lucamax,and from that site with the book, Gli Aeroplani Carponi;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/libri/libribyavia_indice_a.asp

Some of projects has special topics,such as Ca.64,Ca.65 and Ca.91.

the early Caproni projects;

Ca.26 1914 military utility aircraft
Ca.27 ,, ,, ,, ,,
Ca.28 ,, ,, ,, ,,
Ca.29 ,, ,, ,, ,,
Ca.39 seaplane version of Ca.35 & Ca.36 powered by three 540 hp engines
Five-engined two different bomber designs,based on Ca.40
Pusher twin boom single engined fighter project,based on Ca.40
Pusher twin boom three fins predesign of Ca.41
Pusher twin boom two fins predesign of Ca.41
Triplane derivative of Ca.44
Ca.49 1919 four-engined (3 tractor,1 pusher) airliner

 

[hesham]

Re: Caproni early projects

And;


Predesign Ca.60 figure 1, 2 & 3
Ca.61 - biplane bomber, 3 x 230hp SPA 6A inlines
Ca.62 - three engined flying boat
Ca.63 - three engined bomber
Ca.63A - three engined bomber

 

[hesham]

Re: Caproni early projects

And;

1919 aircraft figure 1, 2 & 3
1920 canard aircraft 1 and 2
1920 flying boat
Ca.68 - 192? reconnaissance flyingboat
Ca.69 - 192? reconnaissance flyingboat

 

[hesham]

Re: Caproni early projects

And;


Ca.74 - designation also used for a sesquiplane single-seat fighter, 1 x 400hp Jupiter
Ca.75 - three engined bomber
Ca.76 & Ca.76bis were three engined bomber
Ca.77 - twin-engined bomber
Asymmetric experimental aircraft of 1923
Flap 1923
1925 projects

 

[hesham]

Re: Caproni early projects

And;


Ca.83 - parasol-wing single seat fighter
Ca.84 - amphibian flyingboat powered by one 840 hp engine
Ca.85 - amphibian flyingboat powered by three 1260 hp engines
Ca.86 - amphibian flyingboat powered by one 420 hp engine
Ca.92 - single-engined sesquiplane (Warren truss) 2-seat reconnaissance biplane
Ca.93 - push-pull biplane bomber, sim to Ca.73ter but with tapered wings
Ca.94 - four-engined biplane heavy bomber
Ca.96 - three-engined biplane heavy bomber

 

[hesham]

Re: Caproni early projects

And;


Ca.98 - monoplane tourer
Ca.99 - 2-seat biplane
Ca.106 - biplane amphibian, 2 x 500hp Bristol Jupiter (between wings)
Ca.107 – was a sesequiplane single seat fighter powered by one 480 hp engine
Ca.108 – air-mail/cargo monoplane (based on Ca.105), 240hp radial
Ca.112 - 1932 passenger aircraft based on Ca.111, 800hp engine, 3000km range
Ca.115 – sesquiplane push-pull twin-engined bomber,powered by two 450 hp engines
Ca.116 - 193? sport aircraft

 

[hesham]

Re: Caproni early projects

And;


Ca.117 - 193? experimental aircraft
Ca.118 - twin-engined high-wing bomber based on Ca.102,two 1000 hp engines
Ca.119 – two-seat recce biplane,powered by one 160 hp engine
Ca.121 - single engined low-wing monoplane bomber,powered by one 800 hp engine
Ca.122 - 2-engined, low-winged monoplane transport/bomber
Ca.124 - low-wing floatplane recce-bomber, 1 x Isotta-Fraschini 12R
Ca.126 – low-wing racer aircraft,powered by one 500 hp engine
Ca.128 - low-wing metal monoplane 1+4 feederliner, 3 x 60hp engines

 

[hesham]

Re: Caproni early projects

Finally;


Ca.129 - low-wing metal monoplane based on Ca.128, 2 x 120hp engines
Ca.130 – twin-engined mid-wing transport/bomber floatplane
1928 experimental aircraft
1928 biplane single seat fighter
1933 turbine powered aircraft
1934 light aircraft
1934 patent
1936 four-engined transport, every two motors put in tandem

 

[hesham]

Hi,


Ca.330 was twin engined light recce and bomber aircraft project,never went beyond
a mock-up stage,let to develop the Ca.331.


Ca.331A was twin engined light recce and bomber aircraft,powered by two 770 hp
Isotta-Fraschini Delta R.C.40 engines.


Ca.331B was a three seat twin engined night fighter version,powered by two 840 hp
Delat IV engines.

 

[Apophenia]

Related to the above were the following unbuilt projects:

Ca.331 C.N. (Caccia Notturno) with alternative Fiat RA-1050 RC.58 Tifone engines;

Ca.331G Luftwaffe combat trainer (1,000 ordered, based on the Ca.331A);

Ca.331 assault derivative with 37mm gun and Fiat RA1050 RC.58 Tifone engines;

Ca.332 twin-float seaplane version of the Ca.330

Ca.333 twin-float seaplane version of the Ca.331

 

[Stargazer]

A page on the Caproni Ca.73 from the March 1976 issue of Flieger-Revue:

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dears Apophenia and Stargazer.

 

[Stargazer]

All Caproni aircraft from CA 1 to CA 116 are now presented in a separate topic in three-view form with info and specs (in Italian for now, but hopefully translations will be added in time):

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20062.0.html

 

[hesham]

Hi,


in 1937 competition for light tourist aircraft,the tenders were; Caproni-Reggiane Ca.412,
Caproni-Taliedo Ca.167,Ambrosini SAI-3,Nuvoli ND.6,Lombardi-Bottini L.B.1,SAIMAN-201,
STAL-11.


Does anyone know a more info about Ca.412 and Ca.167 aircraft ?.


Dimensione Cielo- Scuola Collegamento vol.10

 

[hesham]

in 1937 competition for light tourist aircraft,the tenders were; Caproni-Reggiane Ca.412,
Caproni-Taliedo Ca.167,Ambrosini SAI-3,Nuvoli ND.6,Lombardi-Bottini L.B.1,SAIMAN-201,
STAL-11.

Does anyone know a more info about Ca.412 and Ca.167 aircraft ?.

By the way,


the Caproni Ca.167 was actually built and not a project.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


has anyone a drawing or a more info about Caproni GDL aircraft ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is some of Caproni commercial projects;


http://www.aerei-italiani.net/Articoli_Storici_1909_%22I_Progetti_di_Gianni_Caproni_-_Laviazione_commerciale%22.html

 

[Stargazer]

I think we have quite a few specific topics on Caproni types on this forum, so it's best to keep this here topic for unidentified designs I think. Perhaps a mod could rename this one as "Various Caproni aircraft" or "Unidentified Caproni designs", something like that?

Also I'd like to remind everyone that we have two other general topics on "early" Caproni aircraft which have plenty of pictures in them, if you seek to identify a certain type...

Designation Systems > Caproni aircraft
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2026.0

Early Aircraft Projects > Caproni's early aircraft (from CA 1 to CA 116)
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20062.0

 

[hesham]

Yes Skyblazer,


I just want to display some unknown projects to Caproni,specially in the picture No.6.

 

[hesham]

From Aeronautica Italiana 1923,


here is a Caproni L.B.4 aircraft,very close to Ca.66 ?.

 

[blackkite]

Oh Ca.66!!