Caproni Ca.133 unbuilt versions

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Hi all,

today no Caproni-Fighter. In Ali d'Italia Caproni Ca.133 I have found little info´s about the unbuild versions of the Ca.133, but no drawing or technical data. If you have drawings, 3views or technical data about the Ca.141, Ca.151 and Ca.177 please let me know ::)

Servus Maveric
 
Maveric said:
Hi all,

today no Caproni-Fighter. In Ali d'Italia Caproni Ca.133 I have found little info´s about the unbuild versions of the Ca.133, but no drawing or technical data. If you have drawings, 3views or technical data about the Ca.141, Ca.151 and Ca.177 please let me know ::)

Servus Maveric
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well probably documents about these projects are gone or probably these projects was remained incomplete
 
Caproni 141 was bi-engines version of Ca133 with two Gnome-Rhone K.14 of 880HP, Ca151 was version proposed with three Asso XI RC Engines (Piaggio I suppose) ,Caproni 177 was a version proposed with two engines Piaggio VII ( left and right ) @ center one engines Alfa 125 ( this proposed version was replaced by produced Ca 148)
These was, surely, proposed version !
 
Well..... Grin
Does that mean you are writing? Or will you just grin again?
 
No, simply is that Caproni's designs are not lost at all, simply they are kept in a very closely guarded archive, largely not documented, and accessible without restrictions only to a couple of people, me NOT included, of those one is no more interested in unbuilt projects and the other has a lot of work to do.
Research is in progress, but as for now it is concentrated on the CAB projects. I'll post something during the next few days, promise. Caproni sequence, Caproni Taliedo I mean (Ca-1XX), is the least documented in published sources, expecially from Ca-150 on, drawing-wise.
 
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Hi Skybolt,

I have an Italian book on Caproni projects. The title is "Gli Aeroplani della Caproni Aeronautica Bergamasca" by Rosario Abate, Edizione dell'Ateneo & Bizzarri, 1978. VOLUME SECONDO 1920-1946.

It is an excellent work with many projects drawings and I would like to acquire or obtain copies from the other two volumes in the series
VOLUME PRIMO "Dalle Origini al Ca 135 e derivati"
VOLUME TERZO "Dal Ca 320 al 'Corsaro' (Ca 381)

Could you help me, please?
 
Ah, Justo... Rosario Abate was the third man having unrestricted access to the Caproni's archive...
As for the CAB volumes, I can probably find the first for you on the antiquarian market. It is very rare. The third was never published, Rosario passed away before finishing it.
 
A number of years ago (sometime in the 70s), a freind visited Italy and attended a dinner with Caproni, who was quite old at that time. My freind indicated that Caproni's daughter was a historian and in charge of the archive material. Was this accurate? Is the lady still alive?

Best Regards,

Artie Bob
 
Skybolt said:
No, simply is that Caproni's designs are not lost at all, simply they are kept in a very closely guarded archive, largely not documented, and accessible without restrictions only to a couple of people, me NOT included, of those one is no more interested in unbuilt projects and the other has a lot of work to do.
Research is in progress, but as for now it is concentrated on the CAB projects. I'll post something during the next few days, promise. Caproni sequence, Caproni Taliedo I mean (Ca-1XX), is the least documented in published sources, expecially from Ca-150 on, drawing-wise.
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could be one of my dreams know the projects of Caproni !
 
Oh, yes, Maria Fede Caproni is alive and well, God bless her. She is the "ambassador" of the Caproni family in Rome. The archive of drawings and projects is not her domain.There is another archive related to the Caproni family, that held in Trento at Museo Caproni, but it is still less accessible. COULD contain some very interesting things, as personal notes of some leading designers (I have an hint of at least one).
 
Plenty of great stuff here but, as a thread, it has come to make no sense at all. Maveric was asking about unrealized developments of the Ca.133 transport/bomber. The discussion of Caproni archive is interesting in itself but then discussion drifts completely off topic onto fighter concepts from across the Caproni Group.

The thing is: We already have topics which cover Caproni's Ca.183 and Ca.380 as well as the even more OT Caproni-Vizzola MCT. I propose that those threads be renamed and/or rationalized. Some possibilities ...

For the Caproni Ca.183:
- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/caproni-ca-183bis.3352/

Perhaps rename this thread as Caproni Ca 183? Then all non-bis Ca.183 content could also be move into that existing thread ... so, posts #12, #13, #14, #15, #18

Beyond breaking it up, I'm not sure what to do with post #16

(NB: There are also random Ca.183 entries in the Italian Heavy Fighters thread ... eg: posts #45, #88, & #90.
- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/italian-heavy-fighters.2984/ )

For the Caproni Vizzola MCT:
- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...id-engined-fighter-project.31021/#post-445410

Rename this thread as simply 'Caproni Vizzola MCT' and move all 'Monoposto Caccia Trigona' material to that renamed thread.

For the Caproni Ca.380:
- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/italian-twin-fuselage-myths.2411/

Any random Ca.380 images/info from the Ca.133 thread could go into Italian Twin Fuselage Myths.
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And, at this point, could we just acknowledge the amazing work put in by Jemiba who rearranges our threads? Danke sehr, Jens! :D
 
Many thanks Apophenia !
And maybe a plea to all of us :
Please stay with the original topic and don't hijack a thread, but rather start a new one. It's much easier to merge threads, that are doubled, than to break up OT posts and move them to other threads. Here thankfully Apophenia did the heavy lifting !
But honestly, the Ca.133 hasn't much in common with a heavy fighter, has it ? ;)
 
Justo Miranda said:
Hi Skybolt,

I have an Italian book on Caproni projects. The title is "Gli Aeroplani della Caproni Aeronautica Bergamasca" by Rosario Abate, Edizione dell'Ateneo & Bizzarri, 1978. VOLUME SECONDO 1920-1946.

It is an excellent work with many projects drawings and I would like to acquire or obtain copies from the other two volumes in the series
VOLUME PRIMO "Dalle Origini al Ca 135 e derivati"
VOLUME TERZO "Dal Ca 320 al 'Corsaro' (Ca 381)

Could you help me, please?
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on amazon , ebay or abebooks.
 
Jemiba said:
... Here thankfully Apophenia did the heavy lifting !
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Hardly! I'm just tossing suggestions around. You are the one doing the work ... and I'm always impressed by how quickly and efficiently you do it! Again, many thanks :)
 

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