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#56-59 explore Canadian-licensed DC-4, DC-6.
What actually happened...then Whiff...
The Leader of Mackenzie King's Coalition minority partner was CD.Howe, Minister for Reconstruction, Minister for Supply, Minister for Everything. Churchill's own Canadian, Lord Beaverbook, re-entered Cabinet 9/43 to handle Post War Reconstruction and Chaired the Commonwealth Conference on Civil Aviation, 10/43. That agreed the Howe-Balfour Aeroplane, funded as Avro XX 687 (to be Tudor I), was "for planning purposes" to be the common answer to L-049 and DC-4. Ideas of all-pink (-on-the-map: i.e: British) territories and of Kangaroo round-the-world routes were to create the heft to match Pan Am. UK/US Informal Discussions, London 4/44, and Chicago Conference 12/44 (54 Nations) failed to agree a regime: US sought Open Skies, no-one else did....except CD.Howe. The point at issue was cabotage: a maritime concept, that trade within a Nation should be carried on home bottoms. UK perceived that US' idea of Open Skies was that Pan Am could pick up in London and tramp on round the world, picking and dropping, but that others could fly in to New York, then fly out of LA...but only with pax ticketed to get off in the carrier's home: so BOAC could carry London-NY, fly only London-boarding pax to LA, then carry LA-boarding pax westwards to London, none dropped en route. The issue dragged until the Bermuda Agreement, 11/2/46, which would endure for half a century. What did not survive was British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines, the pink carrier, Oz/NZ-W.Coast, inaugural 15/9/46, owned by UK/Oz/NZ...not Canada. CD.Howe saw opportunity from Open Skies intra-N.America: so, NY-Gander-London, Chicago-Vancouver-Oz.
He: - made Crown Corpn TCA the Designated Instrument monopoly outside N.America, thus thwarting CP's ambitions;
- Nationalised Canadian Vickers as a Crown Corpn, Canadair, then sold it to (Electric Boat) Convair;
- added Lincoln to the licences held by Crown Corpn Victory A/c for Lancaster and York - 50 ordered for RCAF (to lapse);
...1/2/44 negotiated a licence for DC-4 plus the pressurisation system being developed for DC-6, which he assigned 3/44 to (to be) Canadair, and ordered 50, 12/44 for TCA+RCAF.
7/45 he added Avro 689 Tudor IIF to the licence, ordered 5 for RCAF (to lapse 11/4/47*), and sold Victory 1/12/45 to be Avro Canada. I doubt he was advised that DC-4 would sell more than anyTudor. I have no idea why he thought he needed 2 Heavy Transport Aircraft factories in Peace, one in Anglo-, one in Franco-Canada. So:
Whiff No.1: one Aircraft Manufacturing Crown Corpn, ex-Victory +ex-Canadian Vickers.
Whiff No.2: one licensed programme, Canada/UK Tudors, or Canada/US Douglases (data point: Douglas in 1947 negotiated a DC-6 licence to Sud, thwarted by Red Ministers/Unions).
Remember, in 1945-47 we all expected very modest business for combat aircraft.
(20/4 correction per #2: canx 9/46)
#56-59 explore Canadian-licensed DC-4, DC-6.
What actually happened...then Whiff...
The Leader of Mackenzie King's Coalition minority partner was CD.Howe, Minister for Reconstruction, Minister for Supply, Minister for Everything. Churchill's own Canadian, Lord Beaverbook, re-entered Cabinet 9/43 to handle Post War Reconstruction and Chaired the Commonwealth Conference on Civil Aviation, 10/43. That agreed the Howe-Balfour Aeroplane, funded as Avro XX 687 (to be Tudor I), was "for planning purposes" to be the common answer to L-049 and DC-4. Ideas of all-pink (-on-the-map: i.e: British) territories and of Kangaroo round-the-world routes were to create the heft to match Pan Am. UK/US Informal Discussions, London 4/44, and Chicago Conference 12/44 (54 Nations) failed to agree a regime: US sought Open Skies, no-one else did....except CD.Howe. The point at issue was cabotage: a maritime concept, that trade within a Nation should be carried on home bottoms. UK perceived that US' idea of Open Skies was that Pan Am could pick up in London and tramp on round the world, picking and dropping, but that others could fly in to New York, then fly out of LA...but only with pax ticketed to get off in the carrier's home: so BOAC could carry London-NY, fly only London-boarding pax to LA, then carry LA-boarding pax westwards to London, none dropped en route. The issue dragged until the Bermuda Agreement, 11/2/46, which would endure for half a century. What did not survive was British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines, the pink carrier, Oz/NZ-W.Coast, inaugural 15/9/46, owned by UK/Oz/NZ...not Canada. CD.Howe saw opportunity from Open Skies intra-N.America: so, NY-Gander-London, Chicago-Vancouver-Oz.
He: - made Crown Corpn TCA the Designated Instrument monopoly outside N.America, thus thwarting CP's ambitions;
- Nationalised Canadian Vickers as a Crown Corpn, Canadair, then sold it to (Electric Boat) Convair;
- added Lincoln to the licences held by Crown Corpn Victory A/c for Lancaster and York - 50 ordered for RCAF (to lapse);
...1/2/44 negotiated a licence for DC-4 plus the pressurisation system being developed for DC-6, which he assigned 3/44 to (to be) Canadair, and ordered 50, 12/44 for TCA+RCAF.
7/45 he added Avro 689 Tudor IIF to the licence, ordered 5 for RCAF (to lapse 11/4/47*), and sold Victory 1/12/45 to be Avro Canada. I doubt he was advised that DC-4 would sell more than anyTudor. I have no idea why he thought he needed 2 Heavy Transport Aircraft factories in Peace, one in Anglo-, one in Franco-Canada. So:
Whiff No.1: one Aircraft Manufacturing Crown Corpn, ex-Victory +ex-Canadian Vickers.
Whiff No.2: one licensed programme, Canada/UK Tudors, or Canada/US Douglases (data point: Douglas in 1947 negotiated a DC-6 licence to Sud, thwarted by Red Ministers/Unions).
Remember, in 1945-47 we all expected very modest business for combat aircraft.
(20/4 correction per #2: canx 9/46)
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