Does anyone have better versions of the following D-188A precursors? (Sorry about the orientation of the first one - my Mac conspires to revert to the original orientation of the scan in some cases even though it's depicted correctly in the file.)
Tailspin Turtle said:Does anyone have better versions of the following D-188A precursors?
Tailspin Turtle said:The "Vertiburner" was probably the D-139. I've seen conflicting reports of the configuration of the D-188.
I believe this project is D-139 preliminary design which is included in Scott-san's chart.ivran said:Any information, or drawing of this project?
Nice design but only small pictures, maybe 3 view?
Simply aerodynamic line, but superb performance
I would now like to turn to more sophisticated aircraft . Dating all the way back to 1953, we have continuously examined the problem of the V /STOL fighter bomber , and we wanted to put these photographs on the record since it does indicate that much of the present European efforts are really extensions of work that were started in this country and not followed through.
This is a single engine V /STOL airplane with vectoring thrust nozzles which also included burning in those thrust nozzles. This was called the vertiburner concept. We used a J-75 engine . It was a supersonic airplane, and was supported by Air Force study contracts It was decided not to continue with development of these vertiburners in this country. However, the British did go ahead with the support of U.S. funds, to develop the Bristol Pegasus- 5 engine, with which I am sure you are all familiar. It is being used in the P - 1127 airplane.
The P-1127 has demonstrated that Bell's approach to V /STOL in 1953 was a proper one, and further, that the British-Siddeley engine and their concept of burning in these nozzles, would justify the vertiburner approach which we studied . We, however, turned our back on a single -engine airplane and started to look at a minimum of two propelling engines to give the pilots the safety of dual engines in level flight.
To accomplish this we utilized the J- 85 in about 1956, and investigated a lifting engine V/STOL concept. Here we had nine J -85's mounted on the centerline of the airplane, two J -79's with thrust diverters to propel the airplane in level flight. Now, this is amazingly like the present Dassault proach to the problem and some of the German approaches with lifting engines.
We examined this airplane in very great design detail and proposed it to the Navy for their deck-ready interceptor V/STOL competition . It came to a gross weight of about 38,000 to 40,000 pounds. At that point we decided that instead of just carrying these lift engines around as deadweight, we would try to use them both in the lifting and propelling modes. So we stepped away from this lifting engine approach similar to the Balzac and the Mirage III V, to the D - 188 / XF - 109 concept. This was salable to the Navy.
In order to accomplish same deck -ready intercept mission we found that this new placement of engines reduced our gross weight by some thing like 18,000 pounds. It was a more efficient approach to V /STOL. The Navy started the program . The Air Force became interested and started matching funding, so that the airplane could also accplish a fighter- bomber role. Out of this effort came the Air Force designation XF - 109. This airplane, therefore, grew a little bit in order to do both missions. We had to let the gross weight then grow back up to about 30,000 pounds. A 30,000- pound airplane powered with eight J-85's, two engines behind the pilot's cockpit , two on each of the wing tips, and two in the after fuselage, gave us not only a much more efficient V/STOL, but also a positive ground effect and a good landing capability. It opened up our whole fuselage for cargo, bomb load, and fuel, and it let us make an approach on a full weapon system basis to the combined services requirements for an aircraft.
Now, we started this in about 1957, and we worked through until - say , 1957 through to about 1959. We did a tremendous amount of work in that time period. We completed all of our drawings up to the point at which the next step would have been to start hardware in the shop . This is very much of an engineering mockup. All of the parts are duplicated and reproduced ; the systems are all completely laid out in this aircraft. We have a film which indicates this to some degree.