BAE P.103 armament

[uk 75]

I am interested in the Bae P.103 and found this picture of the mockup carrying
Skyflash missiles.
Does anyone with access to brochures or other stuff know if any other armament
was ever illustrated or put on the mockup?
The old thread on this subject does not cover.

 

[Mike Pryce]

I don't know about what was put on the mock up but it was designed to carry large loads under the fuselage on tangential carriers (like the P96 in Tony Buttler's BSP Fighters). I think 9 BL755 IIRC and 4 Sea Eagle (latter shown in my P1216 book, p.18)

 

[uk 75]

Thanks Harrier
Similar to the late model Harriers s9unds reasonable to me.
If BAe P.103 had gone ahead.

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

The book British Secret Projects: Jet Fighters Since 1950 states on page 148 that the P.103 was to carry two Sidewinder missiles, air-to-surface weapons, and one 27 mm Mauser cannon.

 

[CJGibson]

There are pages and pages on the P.103 and its weapons in Typhoon to Typhoon.

Chris

 

[uk 75]

Chris My copy is accordingly well thumbed. I have a 1/72 replica of P103 in resin which is being finished off for me in RAF wraparound camo. I had wanted to get a bigger one made with poseable engines but it was too complicated. Then someone offered me this one. I will post a pic here when I get it back. I have left it unarmed, though it may get wingtip Sidewinders.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
https://ukx-dev.fandom.com/wiki/BAe_P103
"Aircraft Background
During the 1980s, BAe's Kingston design office (of Hawker heritage) were steadily evolving their Harrier/pegasus architecture to produce the　P.1216, as had happened several times in the jet age, the Warton (English Electric heritage) design office leapfrogged the wisdom of the day with the revolutionary P103. Starting from scratch, there were able to design a highly maneuverable ultra- STOL fighter to become the front runner for AST.403. Sadly this plane never made it past full scale mockup. AST.403 was changed yet again and the resulting removal of STOVL capability changed BAe's submission a more standard fighter - the P110.
Development
The canard winglets and vertical stabilizer on this plane were actually fixed. Roll control was achieved through conventional ailerons, however pitch was through thrust deflection and yaw through drag rudders. Building this type of control set up is challenging without the extra requirement for longitudinal stability through all modes of vertical and horizontal flight!!"

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Tilt engine ultra STOL fighter.
https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.php?aircraft_id=2381

 

[uk 75]

Sadly my P103 never got finished as the friend involved passed away and his relatives inherited thousands of models according to them and can't find it.
But it gives me an excuse to start this thread again with a different slant.
Given problems with tilting engines (the Germans had the VJ101C) was P103 a real possibility. If the STOVL requirement had stayed would BAe have ditched it for the more practical P1216.

 

[riggerrob]

Sadly my P103 never got finished as the friend involved passed away and his relatives inherited thousands of models according to them and can't find it.
But it gives me an excuse to start this thread again with a different slant.
Given problems with tilting engines (the Germans had the VJ101C) was P103 a real possibility. If the STOVL requirement had stayed would BAe have ditched it for the more practical P1216.

What type of mechanism changed the engine nacelle tilt: hydraulic rams, rack and pinon, screw jacks?

 

[uk 75]

Have come back to this old thread because it still baffles me that the P103 ever got as far as a full scale mockup.

The West German VJ101C used a tilt engine scheme.but the production VJ101D dropped this in favour of a lift jet battery in the fuselage like the Mirage IIIV.

 

[Colonial-Marine]

What are the major issues encountered with such a tilt-jet scheme? The numbers of tests performed by the VJ-101C don't look too bad, but I've never read many details on the specifics.

 

[dan_inbox]

Stability during transition.