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A bit more conventional was the system of engines in tandem designed during the German occupation by the engineer Michel Vernisse. It was to power the Arsenal VB.10 fighter by using two Hispano-Suiza H.S. 12Z engines. One of them was installed in the nose of the airplane and the other in the central section of the fuselage. Both were connected to each other by a power shaft that went under the pilot seat, like in the Bell P-39 Airacobra. Excessive vibrations were removed by the device known as joint homocinétique.

In 1942 the Latécoère 299A was built to test the system by modifying a Latécoére dive bomber in which two standard 860 hp H.S.12-Y-31 were connected by a power shaft.

The prototype was destroyed in an accident without ever having flown, but the ground tests performed were satisfactory enough to approve the construction of the V.10.

The Germans were not interested in the Latécoère 299A, at that time, they had already dropped their own DB 615 system, with two DB 603 engines connected in tandem.

The appearance of the first jet fighters made the VB.10 obsolete and it was decided to use it as transition airplane during the first years of the post war, until the time when the new French jet fighters were available.

However, the programme was cancelled in 1948 due to different accidents with the prototypes and pre-production airplanes.

Several variants of the VB.10, about which very little is known, were proposed during the war. One of them was a naval fighter designed in 1944. Another was named VB.15 and was to be propelled by two German Jumo 213 engines.


Arsenal VB.10 technical data

Power plant: two 860 hp Hispano-Suiza H.S. 12 Y-31, 12-cylinder ‘V’, liquid-cooled engines or two 1,150 hp H.S. 12 Z Ars 15/16, wingspan: 50.8 ft (15.49 m), length: 42.6 ft (12.98 m), height: 17 ft (5.2 m), wing area: 382 sq.ft. (35.5 sq.m), maximum weight: 21,737 lbs (9,860 kg), maximum speed: 435 m.p.h. (700 kph), climb rate: 2,008 ft/min, armament: four wing-mounted H.S.404 cannon of 20 mm with 150 rounds per gun.
 

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Hi!
The fuel tanks appear to be located under the cockpit and in the inner wings.


 

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Hi! The first prototype.
"With the tide of the war changing, the French restarted construction of the first prototype, VB 10-01, in July 1944. The unarmed prototype was powered by two 860 hp (641 kW) Hispano-Suiza 12Y-31 12-cylinder, liquid-cooled engines and had a flush, sliding canopy with an obstructed rear view. This aircraft was first flown on 7 July 1945 by Modeste Vonner. During initial flight tests, the VB 10-01 achieved a sea-level speed of 304 mph (490 km/h). An order for 200 aircraft was placed on 22 December 1945."



 

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The VB-10 is a pre-war child, designed as a fighter ... with all its qualities and especially its flaws ! Despite a beautiful silhouette very balanced at the level of surfaces, the power planned was anemic ! The VB-10 is the size of the Skyraider but with almost half as many watts. 700 km/h (435 mph) was very optimistic and never obtein (883 km/h ... but in diving test at high !).

 

"The second prototype, VB 10-02, had a bubble canopy for improved visibility and was powered by two 1,150 hp (858 kW) Hispano-Suiza 12Z engines. The aircraft was also armed with four 20 mm Hispano-Suiza cannons (with 600 rounds total) and six .50-cal Browning machine guns (with 2,400 rounds total), all mounted in the wings. The VB 10-02 first flew on 21 September 1946. Mechanical issues and engine overheating plagued both prototypes; these challenges, combined with the availability of cheap surplus allied aircraft and the jet age on the horizon, led to a revised order of just 50 aircraft."


"The first production VB 10 made its maiden flight on 3 November 1947. The aircraft was powered by two Hispano-Suiza 12Z-15/16 engines that were rated at 1,300 hp (969 kW) max and 1,150 hp (858 kW) continuous. It was armored with only four 20mm cannons but had provisions to carry one 1,100 lb (500 kg) bomb under each wing. Additional fuel took the place of the removed machine guns. The production aircraft went on to achieve a max speed of 323 mph (517 km/h) at sea-level and 435 mph (700 km/h) at 24,600 ft (7,500 m)." ←This statement may be incorrect
 
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Hi! The first prototype with flush canopy..
 

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"The size of the VB 10 is illustrated here by the crowd in front of the first production VB 10. The aircraft was powered by two Hispano-Suiza 12Z-15/16 engines. Note the 20 mm cannons and no machine guns."
 

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Some additional info
 

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Please confirm LES AVIONS DE COMBAT FRANCAIS 1944-1960 I-CHASSE-ASSAUT Jean CUNY,
DOCAVIA EDITIONS LARIVIERE, page29.

And
 
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Le 10 janvier 1948, le prototype 02 prit feu en vol dans le sud de la région parisienne. Son pilote, Pierre Decroo, parvint à éviter que l’appareil ne s’écrase sur une zone habitée avant de sauter en parachute mais il fut gravement brûlé. Le 15 septembre 1948, le pilote Koechlin périt carbonisé à bord du troisième exemplaire de série. Ce fut le dernier avion à voler. Cet accident entraîna l’annulation du programme le 21 septembre suivant et l’envoi à la ferraille des appareils construits (5 au total) ou en cours de production.

On January 10, 1948 VB-10 second prototype caught fire over Paris suburbs. Pilot Pierre Decroo stay onboard too long to avoid crashing on a populated area before bailing out, and was severely burned as result. On September 15, 1948 pilot Koechlin perished in a fire onboard the third plane. The program was cancelled the next week and all aircraft were scrapped.

Poor Pierre Decroo returned to flight only to be killed by one of the VG-90 Arsenal jets.
 
Please confirm LES AVIONS DE COMBAT FRANCAIS 1944-1960 I-CHASSE-ASSAUT Jean CUNY,
DOCAVIA EDITIONS LARIVIERE, page29.

And
Several variants of the VB.10, about which very little is known, were proposed during the war. One of them was a naval fighter designed in 1944. Another was named VB.15 and was to be propelled by two German Jumo 213 engines.
 
One has to understand the very complicated era, 1944-1952, of the french aircraft industry. Much like the rest of the country it was utterly ruined, but france would not give up aeronautics. An aviation powerhouse since 1908, it would carry on. So extremely ambitious projects were started at a time when 1940 types returned (they were utterly obsolete) with a hodgepodge of nazi germany aircraft that had been "outsourced" to France 1941-1945 - and sabotaged by workers. Production of french FW.190 was a complete disaster.

On the engines front SNECMA was created, an aggreggate of most pre-war companies: leaving only Hispano-Suiza and Turboméca.
France had to learn jet engines from scratch, and also catch back all the time lost with piston engines having grown from 1000 to 4000 hp.
The solution was to go twin engines, for example two 1100 hp 12Z = a 2200 hp 24Z. This was the VB-10 powerplant.

Main problem was that France could not even bring back the lost 1940 piston engines : 14R radial and 12Z in-line. Their reliability was always disastrous, and the result was a J40 - like disaster: a lot of overambitious projects were betrayed by those dismal engines.

The low point in the era was 1948, where many "advanced" types flopped miserably, killing a number of pilots or just badly underperforming: bad aerodynamics, overweights, weak engines.
Things did not improved until 1952, the year of the breakthrough (Mystère, Fouga Magister, Noratlas and Alouette).
Basically the 1946 overambitious if not megalomaniac plans had to be scrapped, and replaced by the proverbial "if it works, don't fix it." Dassault Ouragan vs SO-6000 Triton is typical.
 

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