any drawing/wooden model of Schlachtschiff F and G during their conception?

[sgeorges4]

I'm talking about the bismarck an tirpitz,I didn't find anything on the internet concerning the drawing and wooden model who were made during their conception (my french source mention a tirpitz wooden model with a bow like the one who was there when the bismarck was launch)

Bismarck

Photo Album Text by Martin Waligorski Photos: US Naval Historical Center Of all capital ships of the German Kriegsmarine, battleship Bismarck was the most famous one, despite (or maybe becau…

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The launching of the German battleship Bismarck

The launch of the German battleship Bismark of the Nazi Kriegsmarine. Stalks of shipbuilding firm “Blohm & Voss”, Hamburg. Location: Hamburg, Germany Date: February 14, 1939

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[Pirate Pete]

The following is from Breyers 'Battleships and Battlecruiser 1905-1970, English version of his Schlachtschiffe und Schlachtkreuzer 1905-1970.
I had this book many years ago, and due to 'overuse' it eventually fell apart. I did however preserve the principle contents (for personal use) on my PC. I know that it is a very dated source of information now, and that some of the line drawings are now known not to be 100% accurate, it is still an excellent source work.
That taken in mind, here is the drawing of the early Bismarck design from the publication:

 

[Tzoli]

Sadly Bismarck's design history is more shrouded then Yamato's!! we lack the knowledge of the various preliminary studies the designers prepared, which is weird as we know a ton of never were battlecarrier and cruisercarrier designs!

 

[sgeorges4]

thank you for yoru answer!

 

[sgeorges4]

any other concept?

 

[Tzoli]

You mean Bismarck designs?

 

[sgeorges4]

yep bismarck design

 

[sgeorges4]

Schlachtschiff F and G concept

Deutscher Baum , Schlachtkreuzer

Auch finde ich eine Mini-Scharnhorst als Kreuzer viel besser als eine Maxi-Nürnberg. Obwohl ich es schade fände, die Roon zu entfernen. Mit Mini Scharnhorst wäre es halt schon wieder 2 3er vorner, einer hinten. Dieselbe Turmanordnung wie der Ami 9er und der Franzosen 9er. Ich finde Vielfalt wicht...

forum.worldofwarships.eu

 

[sgeorges4]

concept from "Pancerniki typu Bismarck cz.1 Tirpitz"

 

[sgeorges4]

Schlachtschiff G from "Pancerniki typu Bismarck cz.1 Tirpitz "

 

[sgeorges4]

Schlachtschiff F and G superstructure from "19 -Pancerniki typu bismarck cz.5 - bismarck tirpitz"

 

[sgeorges4]

concept for Schlachtschiff F from marine arsenal 05

 

[sgeorges4]

concept for Schlachtschiff F and G from "18 -pancerniki typu bismarck cz.4"

 

[sgeorges4]

how the Bismarck was planned to look like

 

[Jemiba]

Excuse me, but where are the differences to what it actually looked like ?
It already has the "Atlantikbug" (Atlantic bow), the capped funnel, the middle 15 cm
turrets fitted with range finders and the fixed catapult. And it looks, as it is already fitted
with radar on the rangefinder on the fighting mast.

 

[sgeorges4]

no "dome rangefinder" after caesar(the picture is from 21 may 1941when he was in the Grimstadtfjord)

 

[Nick Sumner]

Not sure if its what you are looking for, but Bundesarchiv photo numbers 134-B1369 and 134-B1370 appear to show a wooden model of Bismarck or Tirpitz.

 

[sgeorges4]

is it normal that bundesarchiv doesn't give me result when I search the pic number? https://www.bundesarchiv.de/SiteGlo...&pageLocale=de&templateQueryString=+134-B1369

 

[Nick Sumner]

er... dunno... I searched Schlachtshiff came up on page 7

Try 'Modell Schlachtschiff "Bismarck-Klasse".- Stapellauf 1939'

 

[sgeorges4]

still didn't find it, but I got good view of the right angle bow now.

 

[Julio Garay Terrazas]

I found this drawing in the past century, maybe you can use it. As usual I have forgotten where I got it.

 

[Tzoli]

Trivial question I know, but what are the exact dimensions of the Bismarck Class???
Most online and many book sources states 248m overall and 241,5m waterline
The German Wiki as well as the first Anatomy of the ship The Battleship Bismarck book states 250,5m overall
The English wiki, the newest Anatomy of the ship book and yet other websites states 251m overall.
Now which is the correct length?

 

[ceccherini]

Trivial question I know, but what are the exact dimensions of the Bismarck Class???
Most online and many book sources states 248m overall and 241,5m waterline
The German Wiki as well as the first Anatomy of the ship The Battleship Bismarck book states 250,5m overall
The English wiki, the newest Anatomy of the ship book and yet other websites states 251m overall.
Now which is the correct length?

248m is before the adding of the atlantic bow, that is at launch, 250,5m the final one

 

[Graham1973]

how the Bismarck was planned to look like

The images have disappeared, I hope someone saved them.

 

[sgeorges4]

Sorry!! I haven't thought saving the pic...

 

[Jemiba]

Here's the design of the Bismarck, as it was in 1936/37 from Erich Gröner "Die deutschen Kriegsschiffe
1815-1945", volume 1.
The originally planned steep bow still is indicated, but the actually built clipper bow is already shown

 

[sgeorges4]

So the atlantic bow was already planned in 1936/37, interesting to see the 2 dome shaped telemeter weren't planned behind turret caesar