Aircraft from Schneider's Aviméta company

[juanT]

Hola a todos!
i am looking 3-view of the AVIMETA 121 "avion de combat multiplace"

Thanks.

 

[Silencer1]

Hi!

i am looking 3-view of the AVIMETA 121 "avion de combat multiplace"

There were an article in French "Fana de l'Aviation" (February 2000) magazine.
It covers the company's activity very well, but there was no 3-view of this bird there...

Update - two pictures from above mentioned magazine added

Good luck in searches!

 

[juanT]

Thanks!

 

[Stargazer]

In 1916 the Schneider factory at Le Havre-Harfleur obtained the production of a series of 1000 12-cylinder 370 hp engines. Schneider was also able to recover fragments of the Zeppelin LZ.96/L49's frame, which had crashed at Bourbonne-les-Bains on 20 October 1917, and compared their analysis with the company's own research on aluminum. This resulted in the creation of the Alférium, a forged alloy which was produced at their Montchanin plant and used in the manufacture of airplane propellers from 1920 onwards.

In their efforts to diversify Schneider decided to focus on the aviation industry and devoted the Le Havre-Harfleur factory to this activity. In 1918 the Henri-Paul & Jean Schneider Participation was created, an association for the study of any matter relating to the construction and fitting out of airplanes or seaplanes. A social fund of 400,000 francs was granted to the company. Jean Schneider was appointed administrator, with the main objective to respond to a request from the Secrétariat d’État de l’Aéronautique militaire et maritime ("State Secretariat for Military and Maritime Aeronautics"): A program for new aircraft with structure and covering entirely made of metal. Two models were considered, a handy, lightweight two-seater (the S2) and a three-seater armed with a gun of 75 mm (the S3) to equip three squadrons.

Designed to meet the S3 program, Henri Paul Schneider took the air in September 1922 and was exhibited at the 8th Air Show at the Grand Palais in December 1922 as a four-seater night bomber. But the program was soon abandoned. A second prototype was produced in Harfleur, the Schneider 10M. As this machine had a rough landing shortly after its first flight, the Le Havre plant was used for other productions and in December 1926 Schneider's aviation department was transformed into an independent company called Aviméta.

The Société pour la construction d’AVIons METAlliques (or Aviméta in short) was set up in Paris, on rue Montalivet, with workshops on Allée du Midi at Courbevoie. With a capital of two million francs, it was directed by Eugene Lepère, while engineering was entrusted to Louis Delasalle. The Aviméta 88 fighter and Aviméta 121 multiplace combat aircraft were failures. The three-engined Aviméta 132 transport failed to attract any customer and the single-engine Aviméta 92 transport and tourism aircraft was built in only a few examples.
As a result, the Schneider Group withdrew in 1929 its support to Aviméta, which had no choice but to file for bankruptcy.

Original article (in French):
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avim%C3%A9t

 

[Stargazer]

The Aviméta 88 was a two-seat fighter/recce plane entirely built out of alferium. It was a high-wing monoplane with thick wing section, powered by a 500-hp Hispano-Suiza engine.

 

[Stargazer]

The Avimeta 92:

 

[hesham]

Great Work Stargazer,


and the Avimeta had many aircraft and projects,such as; 21,88,92,94,95,120,
121,130,131 and 132.

 

[Stargazer]

The Aviméta 132 all-metal trimotor:

 

[Stargazer]

Topics merged.

 

[juanT]

Muchas Gracias Stargazer!!!

 

[toura]

From "aviation magazine"

 

[juanT]

Gracias Toura!

 

[hesham]

Hi,


the Avimeta Model-94 was a version of Model-92 fitted with one 230 hp Lorraine 7 Ma engine,also the Model-95 was a version of Model-92 with different or unknown engine.

 

[hesham]

Hi,


Model-130 was single engined transport aircraft project,powered by one 450 hp Lorraine 12 Eb engine.


Model-131 was twin engined transport aircraft project,powered by two 380 hp
Gnome-Rhone Jupiter engines.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the earlier Project Model-120 was a combat attack/bomber,powered by two 450 hp
Lorraine engines.

 

[Cy-27]

Another layout of the model 92. From a three page article in L'Air number 196 from early 1928.

 

[hesham]

Model-130 was single engined transport aircraft project,powered by one 450 hp
Lorraine 12 Eb engine.


Model-131 was twin engined transport aircraft project,powered by two 380 hp
Gnome-Rhone Jupiter engines.

Also Avimeta-130 was also can be powered by alternative 600 hp engine.

L'Aeronautica 1927-12

 

[Khunakovich]

Does anybody got good quality data on 121?

 

[hesham]

Welcome aboard Khunakovich,

and here it is.

 

[hesham]

the Avimeta Model-94 was a version of Model-92 fitted with one 230 hp Lorraine 7 Ma
engine,also the Model-95 was a version of Model-92 with different or unknown engine.

From Ailes 1928.

 

[hesham]

From Le Genie Civil 1926,

a surprise,here is a Model-90 ?.

 

[hesham]

From TU 139.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the earlier Project Model-120 was a combat attack/bomber,powered by two 450 hp
Lorraine engines.

From Tu 144.

 

[hesham]

From, Le_Génie_civil___revue_[...]_bpt6k6487632k

 

[dan_inbox]

This is the Schneider type Henri-Paul of October 1922. More at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneider_Henri-Paul

 

[Stargazer]

A beautiful photo of the 1927 Aviméta 88 (described in post #4):

 

[Stargazer]

A photo of the 1928 Aviméta 132 (also see 3-view in post #8):

 

[Stargazer]

Beautiful three-view and photos of the Avimeta A.V.M. 132.

Source: "AVIMETA" THREE-ENGINE COMMERCIAL MONOPLANE, TYPE A.V.M. 132
N.A.C.A. AIRCRAFT CIRCULAR No. 63 (Washington, December, 1927)
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19930090646/downloads/19930090646.pdf

 

[hesham]

Nice find,and now we can say about three clues,Avimeta Type 82,91 & 93,no trace for them ?.

 

[Silencer1]

Hi!
Photo from Paris Air Salon of 1926, depicting the Avimeta' stand with Avimeta 88 fighter.

 

[rlandmann28]

and here it is.

What is the source for those two snippets please @hesham ? And are we sure that the 21 and 121 were the same aircraft?

 

[Apophenia]

... And are we sure that the 21 and 121 were the same aircraft?

As you suspect, 'No' ... the Aviméta 21 and 121 were not the same aircraft.

The Aviméta 21 seems to have been a redesignated (and possibly revised/updated) 'Henri-Paul', retaining that Schneider design's four engines in their push-pull configuration. The Aviméta 121 was a smaller, twin-engined BCR prototype.

 

[hesham]

What is the source for those two snippets please @hesham ? And are we sure that the 21 and 121 were the same aircraft?

The source is Trait d'Union magazine

 

[rlandmann28]

The Aviméta 21 seems to have been a redesignated (and possibly revised/updated) 'Henri-Paul'

Ah! That actually makes sense! Thank you!

 

[Maveric]

Does exist a photo or drawing of the Avimeta 21?

 

[rlandmann28]

Does exist a photo or drawing of the Avimeta 21?

If @Apophenia 's theory is correct, it was a redesignation of the Schneider Henri-Paul (and this makes perfect sense to me). Other sources conflate it with the Aviameta 121 already pictured in this thread.

I guess what would prove the point is a contemporary textual description of the 21 that matches the Henri Paul and does not match the 121. (Number of engines would be an obvious distinction!)

Schneider Henri Paul (picture found at https://alternathistory.ru/kogda-ko...ochnoj-bombardirovshhik-schneider-henri-paul/ ):

 

[hesham]

Yes,there is a three designs,Avimeta 21,120 & 121.

 

[Apophenia]

Yes,there is a three designs,Avimeta 21,120 & 121.

Right. The unbuilt Aviméta 120 attack bomber concept matured into the Aviméta 121 BCR prototype. Alas, there's not much out there about the earlier Aviméta 21.

-- https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/schneider-and-aviméta-aircraft-designations.43450/