Air defense system with passive radio detection (ESM)

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I would like to ask the experts if there exists an air defense system with truly passive detection of radio signals emanating from the aircraft to include voice and data radio transmissions, IFF, TACAN/DME or RSBN-4, Doppler navigation, radar, radio altimeters or similar signals? I mean a system that involves a high level of integration of its parts, possibly self-contained on a truck chassis, not a complex system of multiple radars with AD artillery and missile launchers spread over a large area.

The transmissions emanating from the aircraft can be powerful, thus their detection is possible at relatively large distances. Some airborne TACAN radios pump 500W of RF energy into the antennas.

I am of course aware that deploying eg. four or more ESM stations over a large area would allow wireless triangulation of the adversary aircraft signals.

In the past, Eastern Block's countries developed such ESM, like the Czech Kopac, Ramona, Tamara, and Vera, or the Soviet/Ukrainian Kolchuga, but it remains unclear if they were seriously incorporated into air defenses. It is also unclear how these ESM sets exchanged data between each other to facilitate direction finding.
 
I don't know about a comprehensive system built around passive ESM, but certainly during the Vietnam War passive ESM was used extensively in real-time as part of the overall situational awareness picture. Operation Bolo was predicated on the NthV knowing F105 call-signs, SOPs etc, so the F4s copied these and flew the same flight profiles to lure the Migs up into the ambush. Apparently the TFR in the F111 was like a floodlight in a dark room, presumably this provided an early warning of F111s in the air which likely would be the only early warning they'd get for F111s. On the US side the radar picture over NthV was limited at best, often the ESM on the Red Crown cruiser was the only external help US aircraft had over NthV, apparently USS Chicago was especially well set up for this.
 
I would like to ask the experts if there exists an air defense system with truly passive detection of radio signals emanating from the aircraft to include voice and data radio transmissions, IFF, TACAN/DME or RSBN-4, Doppler navigation, radar, radio altimeters or similar signals? I mean a system that involves a high level of integration of its parts, possibly self-contained on a truck chassis, not a complex system of multiple radars with AD artillery and missile launchers spread over a large area.

The transmissions emanating from the aircraft can be powerful, thus their detection is possible at relatively large distances. Some airborne TACAN radios pump 500W of RF energy into the antennas.

I am of course aware that deploying eg. four or more ESM stations over a large area would allow wireless triangulation of the adversary aircraft signals.

In the past, Eastern Block's countries developed such ESM, like the Czech Kopac, Ramona, Tamara, and Vera, or the Soviet/Ukrainian Kolchuga, but it remains unclear if they were seriously incorporated into air defenses. It is also unclear how these ESM sets exchanged data between each other to facilitate direction finding.
I mean the Bundeswehr is looking at Hensoldts Twinvis System and ERA's Vera NG System from which we know a combined system will be designed so in theory it is (kinda) what you search. It uses both Passive Coherent Location (PCL) and Passive ESM Tracking .
 
I mean the Bundeswehr is looking at Hensoldts Twinvis System and ERA's Vera NG System from which we know a combined system will be designed so in theory it is (kinda) what you search. It uses both Passive Coherent Location (PCL) and Passive ESM Tracking .
To be fair i don't know if it still retains multiple Vera antennas and only 1 on twinvis or not.
 
I don't know about a comprehensive system built around passive ESM, but certainly during the Vietnam War passive ESM was used extensively in real-time as part of the overall situational awareness picture. Operation Bolo was predicated on the NthV knowing F105 call-signs, SOPs etc, so the F4s copied these and flew the same flight profiles to lure the Migs up into the ambush. Apparently the TFR in the F111 was like a floodlight in a dark room, presumably this provided an early warning of F111s in the air which likely would be the only early warning they'd get for F111s. On the US side the radar picture over NthV was limited at best, often the ESM on the Red Crown cruiser was the only external help US aircraft had over NthV, apparently USS Chicago was especially well set up for this.

I see. And what about dedicated ESM aircraft of that vintage, eg. the EC-121, EB-47, EB-66, RC/EC-135? Were they able to pinpoint NVAF aircraft without using radar? I presume that RWRs were also present on Vietnamese MiGs in that time.

Some time ago there was discussion about the APX-80 and APX-81 Combat Tree IFF spoofing at https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/combat-tree-an-apx-80-81-and-qrc-248.1028/. Reportedly, this system could have been used passively, too.
 
Does it mean that Hensoldt made the system with the Czechs? I can't find any reference.

No twinvis IS the Hensoldt system and VERA NG the czechs but they want to unite both systems which still is in development (there only working on that for a year now).
 
Thank you for the explanation. The project seems very interesting. I wonder what kind of method will is used for scanning the ether. Photonic-assisted? And eventually how the data will be interfaced with broader area AD systems?
 
And what about dedicated ESM aircraft of that vintage, eg. the EC-121, EB-47, EB-66, RC/EC-135? Were they able to pinpoint NVAF aircraft without using radar?

IIUC the real issue isn't being able to detect aircraft from their radio emissions, or even tie down their location but to do so in real time and then use this real-time accurate information to direct aircraft to intercept. Only the EC121 was set up to direct aircraft while in flight.
 
Thank you for the explanation. I think that during the conflict in SEA the microprocessor technologies did not allow the analysis of big data in real time. Yet. Did the EC-121 use passive detection and tracking, or did it use the radar?

As for the TwInvis, it seems that there are several similar products on the market, which act as passive radar. The source of illumination are the FM broadcast and digital TV transmitters. The idea is not new, since during WW II the Germans exploited the British Chain Home radars with the Klein Heidelberg passive detection. What a brilliant technology that was uncovered only after the Normandy landings.
 

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