Aerospatiale ATSF (Alliance) / British Aerospace AST

[hesham]

Hi,

please see the Flightglobal;



http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1987/1987 - 0980.html

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Jemiba,

and the Aerospatiale FSST.

http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1986/1986%20-%200298.html

 

[Triton]

Artist's impression of Aérospatiale/British Aerospace Advanced Supersonic Transport (AST).

Source: "21st Century Concorde" Popular Mechanics September 1990 page 16.

 

[Nik]

Funnily enough, the first google hit on AST was this forum thread-- D**n Nimble Bots !!

Wiki had... { disclaimer: your mileage may vary }
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_transport
:
Current research and development

In April 1994, Aerospatiale, British Aerospace and Deutsche Aerospace AG (DASA) created the European Supersonic Research Program (ESRP) with plans for a second-generation Concorde to enter service in 2010. The plane was to be called the Avion de Transport Supersonique Futur. In parallel, SNECMA, Rolls-Royce, MTU München and Fiat started working together in 1991 on the development of a new engine. Investing no more than US$12 million per year, mainly company funded, the research program covers materials, aerodynamics, systems and engine integration for a reference configuration. The ESRP exploratory study is based on a Mach 2, 250-seat, 5,500 nautical mile-range (10,186 km) aircraft, with the baseline design looking very much like an enlarged Concorde with canards.
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[Jemiba]

There were several propositions for the ESRP around. About 10 years ago one of them
was shown in a FlugRevue issue, said to use new cockpit technology with an artificial
view for the crew. AFIK, the cockpit would have been located in the rear of the fuselage !

 

[Triton]

Aérospatiale had a program for a Concorde replacement named Avion de Transport Supersonique Futur (ATSF). British Aerospace named their program Advanced Supersonic Transport (AST).

In May 1990, British Aerospace and Aérospatiale announced that the two companies had signed an agreement to carry out joint preliminary studies into a second-generation SST, following up their respective AST and ATSF projects (the later was known as Alliance by Aérospatiale.)

This was followed in 1994 by a further agreement that brought Deutsche Aerospace into the collaboration. Under a new initiative known as European Supersonic Research Program (ESRP), the three companies were to explore the technical and economic viability of a 250-seat, three-class, Mach 2 aircraft with a design range of 10,000 km. The market for such a machine could be 500 to 1,000 aircraft the companies claimed.

Source: Owen, Kenneth. Concorde: Story of a Supersonic Pioneer NMSI Trading Ltd. 2001

 

[MIRAGE 4000]

;D ;D ;DDetails :

Not Aérospatiale but Aerospatiale (without the "é") since 1984

Before : SNIAS (Société Nationale Industrielle Aérospatiale)

 

[chornedsnorkack]

An ATSF design can be seen at:
http://adg.stanford.edu/aa241/fuselayout/sstfuse.html

The outside fuselage width was 349 cm. Compare MD-81 334 cm, Concorde 288 cm, Tu-144 330 cm and L-2000 335 cm. Thus the interior of ATSF would have 5 abreast coach more comfortable than DC-9 - more similar to Dornier 728, Sukhoi Superjet or Bombardier Cseries.

This is 200 seats, not 250: 40 F as 10 rows at 4 abreast 40 inch pitch, and 160 Y as 32 rows at 5 abreast 32 inch pitch. All coach, it might accommodate 48 rows Y at 5 abreast, 32 inch pitch. Is it then a 200 seat plane or 240 seat plane?

 

[Triton]

Model of Aerospatiale and British Aerospace AST.

Source: http://bbs.junyue.cn/viewthread.php?tid=60236&extra=&page=2

 

[Caravellarella]

I can remember disposing of dozens of sets of 1/200 mouldings for this AST from the factory where I used to work (we needed the space). The model consisted of a one piece polyurethane moulding with injecton moulded ABS engine nacelles and one-piece canard insert......

I wish I'd kept one now :'(......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[FiltonRich]

Today I was searching the web for information on the early '90s AST project and stumbled across this thread...the last post caught my eye mentioning the 1/200 scale models, it just so happens I have one which I won in a christmas raffle when I worked for BAe at Filton some 15 years ago. It was made by Space Models and I don't think it was ever put on display in reception, still in its box and foam etc. I often wonder if its worth anything...

Rich

 

[Triton]

Artist's impression of Aerospatiale/British Aerospace Advanced Supersonic Transport (AST).

Source:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/print.main?id=2758567

 

[Triton]

Model of Aerspatiale/British Aerospace Alliance

Artist's impressions of Aerospatiale/British Aerospace Alliance

Source:
http://concordesst.yuku.com/topic/4326/Proposed-Performance-Improvements#.Tzl1Y1G30dU

 

[toura]

Hi Triton
Some other from "Aviation Magazine"

 

[toura]

Hi all
From "aviation Magazine"

 

[bigvlada]

In October 1991 issue of Galaksija, there was an article about the ATSF (super Concorde) and AGV (avion a grande vitesse ). There was also a picture of the third project (looks like flying wing) and a mention of a future French study -PRTH: Plan de recherche et technologie en hypersonique. Anyone knows what was the designation of the flying wing and did that study resulted in some hypersonic aircraft model?

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is the Aerospatiale FAST (Future Advanced Supersonic Transport) aircraft project,which
was a development of Concorde,as to carry 200-passenger at speeds slightly higher than
the Mach 2.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1986/1986%20-%200244.html

 

[toura]

hi all
From Aviation international

 

[toura]

an other project (always aviation international)

 

[hesham]

Wow,excellent my dear Toura.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
Source : http://www.ucalgary.ca/EN/civil/NLAircraft/Paper.pdf

 

[hesham]

From Flieger Revue 8/1989,


here is the Aerospatiale ATSF.

 

[blackkite]

Hi AST.　There are various similar plans and it does not understand very well.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8827.msg78957.html#msg78957

 

[hesham]

Hi,


here is a supersonic transport aircraft,projected by Aerospatiale/BAe and Deutsch
Aerospace.


Source; CRANFIELD UNIVERSITY
SCHOOL OF MECHANICAL ENGINEERING
Ph. D. THESIS
Academic Year 1996/7

 

[Triton]

Photos of model of Aerospatiale Alliance found on Facebook.

Source:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=804254146325523&set=pcb.10153170560454784&type=1&theater

 

[andy_d]

Was this a serious proposal? The original Concorde never came close to commercial success, but was it envisaged that this aircraft would be an economic proposition, thanks to more advanced technology?

 

[foiling]

There were several propositions for the ESRP around. About 10 years ago one of them
was shown in a FlugRevue issue, said to use new cockpit technology with an artificial
view for the crew. AFIK, the cockpit would have been located in the rear of the fuselage !

Fantastic.

 

[zebedee]

Shot from the British Aerospace stand at the Farnbrough Airshow in either 1990 or '92

Zeb

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1986,

a project called AS.705 ?.

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1987.

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1990.

 

[flateric]

ATSF

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1991.

 

[hesham]

From Aviationa magazine 1991.

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1991.