Advanced ATGM discussion thread:

[shin_getter]

Just learnt of this news:

Iran Unveils Own Copy Of Israeli Spike Anti-Tank Guided Missile (Video, Photos)

On July 7, Iran unveiled the ground-launched version of the “Almas” anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) which is a direct copy...

southfront.org

Iran with spike clone? Unlike other 4+th gen ATGM producers mostly falling into the same air power dependent block or noninterventionist, Iran is mixed up in multiple conflicts that could see systems getting used with significant effects.

In other news:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjpSK0-fIFM

HJ-16?
Chinese 4th gen, rumor range up to 10km. Man in the loop Two way datalink with EOIR seeker?

Given that the norks have https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/bulsae-4.htm
What blocks are without access to 4th gen missiles? (oh Russia? insert meme)

 

[shin_getter]

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New South Korean NLOS ATGM? South Korea already operates Spike NLOS, so this isn't a revolutionary capability. Would be nice to know more about it nonetheless though.

 

[shin_getter]

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Looking at the current war, a ~30km range class missile can be used to counterbattery 155mm guns. It is likely far less logistically demanding than counterbattery with dumb shells and require less technology than guided artillery shells, and have a more robust killchain with some search capability. Could be useful.

 

[shin_getter]

If the tank isn't already dead, what are the odds of this showing up in Ukraine?

 

[timmymagic]

If the tank isn't already dead, what are the odds of this showing up in Ukraine?

Minimal. Iran's ability to build anything but the simplest weapons in quantity is exactly as constrained as you'd expect an Islamic theocracies to be...

 

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New South Korean NLOS ATGM? South Korea already operates Spike NLOS, so this isn't a revolutionary capability. Would be nice to know more about it nonetheless though.

I'm quite late to answer but anyways. The missile's called Chuhn-guhm (not the official way of writing it but literally how it sounds) and is called Taipers for the export market.

It was developed as a primary ordnance of the LAH armed helicopter, of which more than 200 is planned to be prcured for the ROKA. LAH will be assigned on the corps-level helo wings and will replace aging AH-1S, 500MD and Bo-105 in the inventory. Taipers weighs 35kg and has an effective range of 8km, coupled with dual mode seeker of color and IR CCD.

Most importantly it is wire-guided, with which it could be launched as both LOBL and LOAL, and as you've mentioned, it could be launched on NLOS targets behind the terrain when launched LOAL. Although wire-guided, it is also F&F capable, since the guidance wire could be cutoff from the missile and the launcher any time. This means the operator could choose to transition from man-in-the-loop to F&F at any given moment after launch, be it from the beginning or during middle of the flight.

 

[aonestudio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756123767602831570

View: https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1756123767602831570?t=YgklJCU0ubBYCPro6N4RLw&s=19

 

[aonestudio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1780202923567227183

View: https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1780202923567227183

 

[Grey Havoc]

NLAW stocks are likely to be at a premium at this point, given that at the last report new examples were still being practically having to be hand built, thanks to HM Treasury's stupidity back in the day.

 

[BullpupRafale]

View: https://youtu.be/vrlPvTJltJk?si=Wj8pzSKTkRTFPDuc

Honestly not surprised that Red Effect does not read much or do research as if he did he would know that Bulsae translates to Phoenix and Phoenix-4M(Bulsae-4M) was sold to Hamas while original Bulsae-4 was marketed as AT-4MLB in 2008 to military of Myanmar/Burma.

Bulsae-1 is Shmel
Bulsae-2 is Malyutka
Bulsae-3 is Fagot/Konkurs
Bulsae-4 is Bulsae-3 with LBR SACLOS
Bulsae-5 is Kornet

 

[Forest Green]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdDIStn2Kao