1970s Boeing Advanced Bomber Studies

[Sundog]

These are advanced Boeing Bomber Studies from the late '70s. Except for the two Rockwell design, which I left in due to the two page Boeing 'X-Wing' Bomber design.

Large Version of the above image

 

[sferrin]

Show us a picture of the one on the right-hand page! Please

 

[Sentinel Chicken]

I think that one on the right hand page was an oblique wing design (can't remember from who) where the wing rotated to be flush with the fuselage leaving a very slim and flattened lifting body design with twin fins.

 

[RP1]

There's a Rockwell design of that description on the Right-hand side of the scan (there should be a scroll bar below the image).

Just how fast was it supposed to go to generate sufficient lift?

RP1

 

[Sentinel Chicken]

Scroll bar! Dammit I keep forgetting about that on the larger images!!

 

[Sundog]

Or, On the larger images, I just right click and select "view image" and it shows me the whole image without anything else. Just remember to hit the back buttin when you're finished viewing

BTW, I'm using Firefox, for your ref.

 

[Antonio]

Some additional pics from my archive

 

[Matej]

And a lot of others

http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/bombers1c.htm

 

[Antonio]

ATB from 1980

 

[Antonio]

The last one

 

[Skybolt]

Uh uh, and would you like some nice sideviews??? ;D

 

[Orionblamblam]

And *where* did those side views come from?

Note: the Rockwell strategic bomber side view has errors. The main wings had positive dihedral.

 

[lark]

Aviation & Marine international - December 1979 , page 40....

 

[Skybolt]

Eh eh, Mister Lark wins the First Pize...
Probably Aviazione & Marina had some three-views of the concept but not of all. This explains the wrong dihedral. There is another error in my opinion. The High Supersonic was the tandem wing, the large delta was the "strategic" (it is improbable to drive a so large wing to mach 1+)....

 

[sferrin]

And *where* did those side views come from?

Note: the Rockwell strategic bomber side view has errors. The main wings had positive dihedral.

I've seen another shot of that one in which it has a negative dihedral. Not saying you're wrong just that somehow the impression got out there that it was negative.

 

[Matej]

Seems that its this one. But still artists impression. Better argument should be blueprint.

 

[Skybolt]

This one has surely a negative dihedral, but I suspect Scott has a real three views.

 

[Skybolt]

Ok, question settled: positive.

If you want, I will add more pictoriial info to Rockwell studies thread.

You bet!!!

Thanks Flateric, and I think I speak for all the forum members!

 

[flateric]

Aviation & Marine international - December 1979 , page 40....

Please, please, please, mighty Lark, give us higher-res scan!!!

 

[flateric]

More pics of Boeing 1978 ASPA concepts

 

[flateric]

extra ASPA stuff

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Fixed the thread (and on holiday too! - luckily some people don't secure their wireless very well) for you.

Sundog, the image you are posting is 1250x1624 in size, when the server tries to resize it down to thumbnail size it decompresses the jpg and then runs out of memory. I can't change the settings on the current server, so best to reduce the resolution. Saving it as a lower quality jpg doesn't help.

Paul.

 

[Skybolt]

Ok. I'll send the image directly to Flateric

Thanx!

 

[flateric]

Problems caused by posting large, hi-res scans are described by Overscan two messages above, and all of us could watch the fruitful results of this for about a day. I still eager to see what that large Sundog tried to show us - I bet it was something very interesting as always. I personally didn't know about pixel size limitations of images, and will be more cautious.

If you want, you can just ask Skybolt to post it via e-mail, he surely will be able to help.

 

[flateric]

Hi-res color versions of Prometablava pictures from Bill Sweetman's 'Inside The Stealth Bomber'

 

[Sundog]

Sorry about that, as soon as I get home (At the office now) I'll make it smaller and repost it.

OK, I replaced it with a small image and a link to the larger one. If the first image is too big I'll make it smaller as well. In the future, I'll make big images with links and small preview images, unless the image is small to begin with.

 

[flateric]

Boeing 1970s Faster Penetrator concept courtesy Matej Furda

 

[TinWing]

Boeing 1970s Faster Penetrator concept courtesy Matej Furda

Any chance of a higher res version of the 3-view of this proposal?

For that matter, is there a full 3-view of the more convetional swept wing, twin engine plus booster design?

 

[Skybolt]

A couple of nice b/w renderings of the two most conventional ASPA proposals ;D

 

[Sentinel Chicken]

Some of those Boeing designs could still be viable today- given an environment with almost zero air threat (Afghanistan, Iraq) an efficient "bomb truck" loaded with LGBs and JDAMs could orbit in patrol areas "on call" to ground units that are engaged with insurgent forces. There is a recent article in the latest issue of AWST that talks about discussions at the Pentagon for a close-support aircraft more geared to COIN warfare than the current high-tech legacy systems in use. The article talks about smaller aircraft, but the current generation of sensors and precision weapons I see no reason right off hand why a larger "bomb truck" type aircraft couldn't do the job.

 

[Skybolt]

Leave the dirty job to bombs... or to drones with bombs. An aerial drone-carrier (again) loitering at 20.000 m, itself remotely controlled. On the same level of sensors and computer/communication, I'd consider the new explosives (hyper-termites, supercompressed and the like): a 50 kolos bomb could do the job of a half a ton one

 

[sferrin]

Some of those Boeing designs could still be viable today- given an environment with almost zero air threat (Afghanistan, Iraq) an efficient "bomb truck" loaded with LGBs and JDAMs could orbit in patrol areas "on call" to ground units that are engaged with insurgent forces. There is a recent article in the latest issue of AWST that talks about discussions at the Pentagon for a close-support aircraft more geared to COIN warfare than the current high-tech legacy systems in use. The article talks about smaller aircraft, but the current generation of sensors and precision weapons I see no reason right off hand why a larger "bomb truck" type aircraft couldn't do the job.

I think it's a bummer they didn't build 713-1-138. Think super-sized B-52 with four twin-engine nacelles under each wing instead of two.

 

[Skybolt]

Since it was hydrogen-fueled, maybe even Greens (well, part of, the H-tribe) would cheer.. 8)

 

[sferrin]

Since it was hydrogen-fueled, maybe even Greens (well, part of, the H-tribe) would cheer.. 8)

I'm about 99% certain 713-1-138 wasn't LH2 fueled and if it was it didn't carry very much because it didn't have the Goodyear-blimp look of most LH2 aircraft. It simply looked like a scaled up B-52.

 

[frank]

I've never seen this 713-1-138. Did I miss a drawing or can someone post one?

 

[Antonio]

Frank,

I can't post the picture because I get a warning about "file size is too big" even when it is only 88 Kb. So I'll email you a hi-res scan

Cheers,

Antonio

Source:

Valkyrie
Dennis R Jenkins & Tony R Landis
Speciality Press
ISBN 1-58007-072-8

This book is PURE GOLD

 

[frank]

Thanks! However, if it's in the Valkyrie book, I'm pretty sure I have it in my stash at home. I can look it up then. I guess I haven't seen my copy in a couple of years.

Frank,

I can't post the picture because I get a warning about "file size is too big" even when it is only 88 Kb. So I'll email you a hi-res scan

Cheers,

Antonio

Source:

Valkyrie
Dennis R Jenkins & Tony R Landis
Speciality Press
ISBN 1-58007-072-8

This book is PURE GOLD

 

[sferrin]

This book is PURE GOLD

Yes it is ;D

 

[Skybolt]

'm about 99% certain 713-1-138 wasn't LH2 fueled and if it was it didn't carry very much because it didn't have the Goodyear-blimp look of most LH2 aircraft. It simply looked like a scaled up B-52.

Oooops, you're right. I confused it with with tis one:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=243.msg1444#msg1444

Anyway, not all the liquid hydrogen projects were blimp-like. Think ot he L-400 Suntan, or, in the WS-110A studies, the Boeing 725-101.
Talking of scaled-up B-52s, my favourite is 713-1-135.. almost zwilling...

 

[Sundog]

Here's a cool Boeing design I ran across at the patent site, so I thought this would be the best place to post it.
[edit - link broken - Admin]