Boeing F-47 Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD)

Also, as a side impression, frontal shape of the new aircraft isn't just small, if you "remove" cockpit in your imagination, it's very cleanly ... dronish.
Granted, same is true for many full glass cockpit aircraft, but recently it wasn't really a trend.
 
All im hoping is that this thing is dual engine and at least F-22 sized. The rendering is throwing me off and a comment from a general saying the F-47 is cheaper than the F-22 worries me
 
Ainen said:
I honestly long since wondered why f-35 and j-20 don't do it in the first place. Obvious real estate.
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Maybe the problem is making the canopy transparent to the right wavelengths.

You’d need to avoid distortion in a different part of the spectrum than the parts the pilots see with their eyes/through visors and HMDs, while also continuing to worry about EM coatings, bird strikes, scratches, etc. If you made a “bifocal” canopy, then maybe you’d have to worry about temperature expansion/contraction & strength in whole new ways.

Even a small window would also potentially work against your own thermal signature, if the interior cockpit temp was higher than the friction-heated temp of its surroundings. I would think that wouldn’t be the case when supercruising, but have no clue about the surface temp of a canopy of an aircraft cruising/loitering normally.

And, the warmer cockpit environment is probably crappy for a sensor that may want to be cold as possible. Do modern IRSTs still like to chilled?
 
Sevrent said:
All im hoping is that this thing is dual engine and at least F-22 sized. The rendering is throwing me off and a comment from a general saying the F-47 is cheaper than the F-22 worries me
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Agreed. I'm curious how they intend to creatively produce numbers to reflect this statement. It would appear to the layman that they may be referring to far more efficient maintenance, servicing, software, etc. as the F-35 enterprise has left a bad taste. I don't see how the reported (IIRC) $300M price tag can otherwise be spun, aside from integrating recovered alien technology that's super-duper cheap. :)
 
Sevrent said:
And with the USAF suggesting axing NGAS to go further in on NGAD.. If its not large then what are we doing
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Just riffing here, but maybe an MQ-25-style fighter-sized refueling UAV? Perhaps their NGAS vision was simply too expensive, but the underlying mission remains.
 
Desertfox said:
Boeing was the safe bet since NG dropped out. Same as NG is the safe bet for FA-XX. Lockheed is a long shot since they have a huge backlog of F-35 orders to fill.
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Yes I think the problem with the F-35 all over the time have playing a bad game for Lockheed
 
Sevrent said:
Am I crazy or is this rendering not symmetrical? On the left side it looks like some sort of strake that tapers off and then a canard. On the right it looks like a continuous LERX going into a wing?
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I mean wasn't there a boeing patent for Canards that can be hidden? Could be something like that but we also can't forget that we're talking about rendering probaly mostly artist renderings with specific requierments
 
kqcke for you said:
I mean wasn't there a boeing patent for Canards that can be hidden? Could be something like that but we also can't forget that we're talking about rendering probaly mostly artist renderings with specific requierments
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Im starting to question how representative the renderings are of the actual design. I feel like these are just more notional/marketing concept renderings
 
I think the canards are just hidden behind the vapor cone in the rended of it flying. I this is more clear in the version of the render that flateric posted above.
 
Circling back to this statement:

“ While our X-planes were flying in the shadows, we were cementing our air dominance – accelerating the technology, refining our operational concepts, and proving that we can field this capability faster than ever before. Because of this, the F-47 will fly during President Trump’s administration.

In addition, the F-47 has unprecedented maturity. While the F-22 is currently the finest air superiority fighter in the world, and its modernization will make it even better, the F-47 is a generational leap forward. The maturity of the aircraft at this phase in the program confirms its readiness to dominate the future fight.

Compared to the F-22, the F-47 will cost less and be more adaptable to future threats – and we will have more of the F-47s in our inventory. The F-47 will have significantly longer range, more advanced stealth, be more sustainable, supportable, and have higher availability than our fifth-generation fighters. This platform is designed with a “built to adapt” mindset and will take significantly less manpower and infrastructure to deploy.”



If those cost estimates and timelines are remotely feasible, why was the program ever called into question in the first place? I am extremely skeptical of this statement. Were that even marginally accurate, then the program should have been a slam dunk and never paused.
 
Josh_TN said:
If those cost estimates and timelines are remotely feasible, why was the program ever called into question in the first place? I am extremely skeptical of this statement. Were that even marginally accurate, then the program should have been a slam dunk and never paused in the first place.
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Agreed. This has to be Boeing PR to move the stock, or something to that effect. "Actually, despite the 737 MAX, we're really ahead of the game..."
 
Ainen said:
Let's see, but it appears Boeing tries something radically different to what was expected.
Apparently this went against Lockheed's attempt at normal logical evolution of their 5th generation.
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Okay, but let's be honest here.This does look like the x thirty six program mixed with the bird of prey, I'll be doing a draft up tonight
 
Sevrent said:
All im hoping is that this thing is dual engine and at least F-22 sized. The rendering is throwing me off and a comment from a general saying the F-47 is cheaper than the F-22 worries me
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That's not really saying much though, the F-22 was ridiculously expensive, mostly due to small volume production. If it's not cheaper than the F-22 that would worry me a lot more.
 

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