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Firefinder said:
Oh its worse then that my bubbleheaded friend. If you only knew how much Submariners are going to hate life once the gloves come off.

A modern Container ship only spends a few days at dock, the companies generally try for a 48 hour turnaround at the Slow 3rd rate ports, the big ones can do 24 hours.

Most containers chug along at 24 26 knots, some like the Mearsk B class can hit 34 fully loaded.

Shit move FAST these days.

Albeit thats container haulers, bulk and tankers, generally do 15 ish.


Also for ordering over 100 FFGs one question.

How to crew them? We barely have enough for the ships we got now.
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Crewing is easy.
The pay raises.
$10k signing bonus all rates, and up base pay of E-1s to 40K/yr, and all other ranks accordingly, and you’ll have people flooding into to the recruiters offices.

Also have to drop a lot of the BS requirements and disqualifiers as well of course.

Certain policies I’m sure about to be incoming definitely won’t be helping at all though.
 
johnpjones1775 said:
Crewing is easy.
The pay raises.
$10k signing bonus all rates, and up base pay of E-1s to 40K/yr, and all other ranks accordingly, and you’ll have people flooding into to the recruiters offices.

Also have to drop a lot of the BS requirements and disqualifiers as well of course.

Certain policies I’m sure about to be incoming definitely won’t be helping at all though.
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No, it's not.

We're talking something like less than 30% of military-age adults as being physically eligible.
 
Scott Kenny said:
No, it's not.

We're talking something like less than 30% of military-age adults as being physically eligible.
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Plenty are capable of serving, we have retarded requirements because we haven’t needed a large military.

Do you think we have the same level of requirements for service in the 1960s?
 
johnpjones1775 said:
Plenty are capable of serving, we have retarded requirements because we haven’t needed a large military.
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I mean people are not physically capable of completing boot camp. Knees blowing out due to all the running because they didn't have gym/PE growing up, or didn't have enough. Grossly overweight, even by the fucking brain-dead military height/weight charts that only go up 2.5lbs per inch of height. God help you if you wear a size 48 suit coat, you'll never pass height/weight.

People who can't do basic math or English. I had to teach kids how to do fractions so they might pass the ASVAB, and that was 25 years ago.

People who don't know how to maintain a vehicle. I had to teach a kid who somehow passed Sub School how to trace piping diagrams and follow where all the parts are and see which way fluid flowed through the systems...


johnpjones1775 said:
Do you think we have the same level of requirements for service in the 1960s?
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No. The current requirements are higher, because the basic grunt is personally loading crypto into his radio, maintaining a JLTV, and operating a freaking drone.
 
Scott Kenny said:
People who don't know how to maintain a vehicle. I had to teach a kid who somehow passed Sub School how to trace piping diagrams and follow where all the parts are and see which way fluid flowed through the systems...
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Ye gods....
 
Scott Kenny said:
I mean people are not physically capable of completing boot camp. Knees blowing out due to all the running because they didn't have gym/PE growing up, or didn't have enough. Grossly overweight, even by the fucking brain-dead military height/weight charts that only go up 2.5lbs per inch of height. God help you if you wear a size 48 suit coat, you'll never pass height/weight.

People who can't do basic math or English. I had to teach kids how to do fractions so they might pass the ASVAB, and that was 25 years ago.

People who don't know how to maintain a vehicle. I had to teach a kid who somehow passed Sub School how to trace piping diagrams and follow where all the parts are and see which way fluid flowed through the systems...



No. The current requirements are higher, because the basic grunt is personally loading crypto into his radio, maintaining a JLTV, and operating a freaking drone.
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Are there some people like that? Sure. Are most people like that? No. Turn off whatever propaganda it is you’re watching and rejoin the real world.
 
johnpjones1775 said:
Are there some people like that? Sure. Are most people like that? No. Turn off whatever propaganda it is you’re watching and rejoin the real world.
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30+% physically unfit is straight off the Marine Times, dude. And the reasons why.

My personal experience:
  • Fully a third of the kids in my DEP group needed remedial math and English. And ASVAB waivers. Since I scored a 99 on the damn thing, guess who got voluntold to teach?
  • A tenth of the guys in my platoon when I tried to be a Marine went straight to Physical Conditioning Platoon, I was one of them. F*ing Pull-ups and wrecked shoulders. And that was just from the initial PFA. I'm not even getting into the 90ish dudes that were med boards because they got broken while in boot camp on the Marine side, or the ~250 med boards on the Navy side. And the Navy doesn't even run all that much! (Recruit crud was nasty in 2000, Navy side had one dude in my Division get pneumonia from it and he lost like 40lbs before they sent him to Med Recovery!)
  • Stahl was my YN3 on the Kentucky. My very own personal NUB. Thank god my Senior Chief mostly took over as Sea Dad, since I had less than 3 years in when Stahl checked in.
If you're still in, ask your brand new guys just how much of their Division in boot camp got ASMO'd for test failures or sent to medical recovery/rehab, and how much of the kids who talked to the recruiters failed the ASVAB the first time around.
 
Scott Kenny said:
30+% physically unfit is straight off the Marine Times, dude. And the reasons why.

My personal experience:
  • Fully a third of the kids in my DEP group needed remedial math and English. And ASVAB waivers. Since I scored a 99 on the damn thing, guess who got voluntold to teach?
  • A tenth of the guys in my platoon when I tried to be a Marine went straight to Physical Conditioning Platoon, I was one of them. F*ing Pull-ups and wrecked shoulders. And that was just from the initial PFA. I'm not even getting into the 90ish dudes that were med boards because they got broken while in boot camp on the Marine side, or the ~250 med boards on the Navy side. And the Navy doesn't even run all that much! (Recruit crud was nasty in 2000, Navy side had one dude in my Division get pneumonia from it and he lost like 40lbs before they sent him to Med Recovery!)
  • Stahl was my YN3 on the Kentucky. My very own personal NUB. Thank god my Senior Chief mostly took over as Sea Dad, since I had less than 3 years in when Stahl checked in.
If you're still in, ask your brand new guys just how much of their Division in boot camp got ASMO'd for test failures or sent to medical recovery/rehab, and how much of the kids who talked to the recruiters failed the ASVAB the first time around.
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Again, that’s with higher requirements because we didn’t need a massive military for the last 30 almost 40 years now.

Physical fitness also is not a big barrier.
Send ‘em to boot camp, but they don’t graduate until they are fit for active service.

Where were you recruiting at that you apparently had so many retards?
I went to boot in 2011, very few people were ASMO’d out or into my division, and none of them for physical failures. The closest thing to not being physically able to serve was people not knowing how to swim.

Manning ships is literally the easiest part of getting ships into the fleet.
 
johnpjones1775 said:
Again, that’s with higher requirements because we didn’t need a massive military for the last 30 almost 40 years now.
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Higher requirements because someone who can't do fractions or read tech manuals is more or less useless in the military. If they can't do fractions they cannot even mix paint in deck division!


johnpjones1775 said:
Physical fitness also is not a big barrier.
Send ‘em to boot camp, but they don’t graduate until they are fit for active service.
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BLOWN OUT KNEES, requiring 6-9 months post-surgery to recover before being ready to do military PT. I'd sooner take a flying leap out of a 40th story window than spend a year in boot camp.

Also, the Navy says that if you cannot get doctor's permission to go out to sea, you are to be thrown away I mean medically discharged.




johnpjones1775 said:
Where were you recruiting at that you apparently had so many retards?
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Everett, Washington is where I was recruited from. I was a DEPer while teaching the rocks.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Higher requirements because someone who can't do fractions or read tech manuals is more or less useless in the military. If they can't do fractions they cannot even mix paint in deck division!



BLOWN OUT KNEES, requiring 6-9 months post-surgery to recover before being ready to do military PT. I'd sooner take a flying leap out of a 40th story window than spend a year in boot camp.

Also, the Navy says that if you cannot get doctor's permission to go out to sea, you are to be thrown away I mean medically discharged.





Everett, Washington is where I was recruited from. I was a DEPer while teaching the rocks.
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Yeah that experience of yours was a very local experience.
 
Scott Kenny said:
Higher requirements because someone who can't do fractions or read tech manuals is more or less useless in the military. If they can't do fractions they cannot even mix paint in deck division!



BLOWN OUT KNEES, requiring 6-9 months post-surgery to recover before being ready to do military PT. I'd sooner take a flying leap out of a 40th story window than spend a year in boot camp.

Also, the Navy says that if you cannot get doctor's permission to go out to sea, you are to be thrown away I mean medically discharged.





Everett, Washington is where I was recruited from. I was a DEPer while teaching the rocks.
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Blown out knees only means the people getting them in shape weren’t qualified to do so.
 
And you know because you were there, of course.
 
johnpjones1775 said:
Yeah that experience of yours was a very local experience.
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Army over here who just hot out in early 22.

Its not a localize experience at all seen the sane thing in Kansas City and hear similar gribs in St Louis and Boston. And in my basic back in 2012 we had to medically drop 18 people, and that number remained the same.

Plus I have seen the 70 and 80 era recording standards, they were HIGHER then want they are now.

There alot to be said bout needing to redo alot of the dumber medical ones, like the broken bone one or if were was ever on mental meds*, but the Physical and Educational ones have drop not raisen over the years.

*Try to Join the navy first, didn't let me cause of a med I took for two years back when I was 12 to 14, which was 5 years beforehand. Shit like that can be allowed.
 
johnpjones1775 said:
Oh look, fitness requirements being waived because recruiting is the easy part.

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The military height/weight standards are bullshit.

They're still locked in the physical builds common in the 1970s, not the 2000s. Particularly the heights.

I'm 4" taller than my dad. At my lightest, just after spending 3 months in physical Conditioning Platoon and running my ass off, I was 178lbs. After running (a lot) less at Great Mistakes I got up to 192 due to finally putting on some muscle bulk. And down to a 30" waist. 17" neck, 48" chest. 192 was the limit for being 6'.
 

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