Roberto Bartini

Any adition of images and data about the following projects will be welcome


Source: "Le Fana de L'aviation" Article from Piotr Butowski"

1928 Light seaplane project. 100 hp engine

1929 Four engined seaplane project.

1930 MBR-2. Short range patrol seaplane. Developed by Beriev in 1932.

1930 MBR-3. Long range patrol seaplane. Related to the DAR ( Long Range Artic Reccon) aircraft.

1930 MTB-2. 6 engined heavy bomber, twin hull seaplane. Gross Weight = 40 ton. Developed by Tupolev into the MK-1 aircraft.

1930 EI-1. Experimental fighter developed into the Stal-6

1933 Stal-6 Fighter. It was built and first flow in 1933. With its Curtiss Conqueror engine (660 hp) attained 420 Km/h

1933 Stal-8. Unbuilt design. M-100A engine (860 hp) . Estimated max speed = 630 Km/h (a bit optimistic in humble opinion)

1934 DAR. A single aircraft was built and tested in 1936.

193? Stal-7 Transport aircraft. A single aircraft was build from which the bombers DB-240, Yer-2 and Yer-4 evolved.

1942 Project R. Supersonic flying wing fighter

1942-43 Project R-114. Supersonic rocket interceptor

1945 Project T-107. Double deck twin engined (Ash-82) airliner/cargo aircraft

1945 Project T-108. Twin fuselage light aircraft

1946-48 Project T-117. Wide fuselage twin engined (Ash-73) transport

1947 Projects T-200 and T-210. Transport aircraft with 2 piston engine (Ash) plus 2 turbojet (RD-45)

1949 "Project for a non-stop 40,000 Km circumterrestrial (Moscow-Moscow) flight" ???

1955 Project A/R-55. Strategic bomber-reccon aircraft

1957 Project A/R-57. Strtegic Mach 2 bomber-reccon aircraft

1957 Project E-57. Medium range bomber. 2xNK-10B engines

1957 Project F-57. Supersonic airliner. 70 passengers

1960? Project T-217. Heavy transport. 4xNK-12M engines. Gross Weight = 128,000 Kg

1960? Project E/T-20. Light transport

1962 M-62 built and tested under designation VVA-14

1965 Aircraft V. (no data available)

1967 Project MGA-67 (no data available)

1970 Product Z (no data available)


Regards,

Antonio

Source: "Le Fana de L'aviation" Article from Piotr Butowski"

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Le Fana de l'Aviation N° 293 - April 1994.

Thanks a lot Lark

Hi,


T-6 agricultural WIG aircraft project.


T-203 supersonic aircraft with ogival wing,project of 1952.


T-500 heavy transport WIG aircraft project.


AL-40 nuclear-engine seaplane of 1960.


A-58 supersonic bomber project.


MGA67 anther designation to VVA-14.


Project T four or six jet engined light transport Ekranoplane project,associated with Beriev.


SVVP-70 high speed VTOL ship-borne floatplane project of 1968.


A.100 medium size WIG jet aircraft.


A.250 large size WIG jet aircraft.


A.900 huge size WIG jet aircraft


Project V projected for aircraft of 1965,no more details.


Project Z giant wing ground effect aircraft carrier,project of 1970.


T-301 & T-501 WIG aircraft,but I am not sure about those designations.

pometablava said:

1967 Project MGA-67 (no data available)

Regards,

Antonio

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Of course it is a real design,but to be honest,all I know in my files,it was anther
designation to VVA-14.

In the 1994 Aviko Press book "Samolet VVA-14" ("Aircraft VVA-14") (ISBN 5863010278) by KG Udalov, GS Panatov and LG Fortinov there is mention on page 5 of a couple of pre-VVA-14 projects, the "2500" and MVA-62. There is also a photo of the model of the MVA-62 on the next page. It appears to have a single main engine and air-cushion sponsons.

Some more notes ...

DLR
Sesquiplane biplane flying boat with twin engines (I have a small 3-vu somewhere)

Article 58 / A-58
Project for a sea based nuclear bomber developed during 1958 at OKB-256 Design Bureau. It was to be similar in size to the Tu-22 and Tu-16. Similar layout to the earlier A-57. As an amphibian it was designed to operate from sea bases in Europe and Asia.

GS-1 / GSB
Project appeared in 1957-1960 in Leningrad at the Special Research Laboratory of the Academy
named after A.F.Mozhaiski, with an active participation of pioneer Soviet designer A.S. Moskalaev.
Several different layouts were evaluated, delta wing, tailless and a flying wing. The aeroplane was to be built of titanium alloys that would allow a take off weight of 250 tons. The maximum speed was to be 4,500 km/h with a 15,000 kilometre range. Whether this was a Bartini design or a Moskalev (or both) I am unsure. It was mentioned elsewhere as being solely Mosklalev. However in appearance it is "Very-Bartini-esque". The GSB was to be armed with a thermonuclear warhead of 1.5 megatons with a defensive armament of 4-5 air-to-air missiles with a 10 kilometre range and two cannon mounts. The hydro landing gear consisted of a cental hydroski and wing tip floats which provided landing angles of 9 to 12 degrees. To aid take-off, rocket boosters were to have been fitted.

SVVP-2500
In "The Aircraft of R.L Bartini" the previously mentioned "2500" is described as the SVVP-2500, a VTOL project with an in-flight weight of 2,500 tonnes. It had both lifting and level flight engines. Fitted with hydrofoils installed on the lateral floats. These were utilised as an aide in taking off as the reduced the water resistance when employed in a non-VTOL take-off scenario.

MVA-62
The MVA-62 was a VTOL anti-submarine amphibious vehicle with a 38 tonne weight.

Sources:
The Aircraft of R.L Bartini by NV Yakubovich (Russavia) 2006 ISBN 5900078515
The Bulletin of the Russian Aviation Research Group #147
The Bridge Over Time (Story of R L Bartini) by I Utchko (Politizdat) 1989 ISBN 5250008054
Air Enthusiast No 73 [Page 36] January-February 1998

The Russian magazine Weapons World (July 2006) has an article "Generated Euphoria" (ПОРОЖДЕННЫЕ ЭЙФОРИЕЙ) on Bartini's later designs (page 50-55) including F-57, A-57 and Project 30. Has colour renderings as well.

I also found some 3-view diagrams (all time stamped pre-2000 so no note of sources) - is DLR a genuine Bartini design?

T-107 - design from 1944
T - revised 1974 design

The Korchagin KOR-70 was NOT a Bartini design and all sources pretending so are just repeating old mistakes.

All reference to that project has been removed from this topic.

New company data for both companies has surfaced which proves this without a shadow of doubt. A definitive book on Bartini, relying on company archives and first-hand testimonies, is currently in preparation. I prefer to lock this thread until then to prevent proliferation of such erroneous data.

• For Bartini projects, please see this topic: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,396.0
• For Bartini-related artwork, see this topic: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10627.0
• For the Bartini 114R, please see this topic: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9144.0

Bartini's work with Beriev also appears in various places on this forum, notably this topic:

• http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,17952.0

And as for Korchagin...

• Please see the dedicated KOR-70 topic: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,348.0