Italian Never Build from 1975 to today
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I begin with the frigate
The CODAD version of Lupo frigate:
At Mostra Navale 1982 was published that three countries had requested CNR for a cheaper CODAD version of the Lupo.
CNR replaced the CODOG plant by 4 MTU 20V1163 TB82 diesels with 17000 KW total output and 28 kn max speed.
The big funnel of the "regular" Lupo is replaced by two smaller.
The weapon arrangement is lighter: OTO 76 vs 127, only one "twin forty", and the Aspide/Sparrow launcher is relocated in the B position (seems a 4 missile version).
From 1989, the F-3000
from another discussion in this forum
and with the small sister, the F-1700
90 m long, 12,60 m broad, 1710 t st, 30 kn, and for the weapons: 2 76 SR, 4 OTOMAT MK-2, 16 VL SAM, 1x3 tp launcher & 1 Lynx or similar helo
Falco frigate of 1993 for Abu Dhabi
length 108m
2300 tons
127mm guns
2x 30mm guns
two-shaft CODOG propulsion system is based on two GE LM2500
33kt maximum speed,
6,500nm (12,000km) range.
the last frigate was the Falco of 2002 for Chile
3.600 tons, AAW system like as Aspide o Mica VL, main gun OTO 76 or 127 mm, SSM Otomat or Exocet, 1 helo
The CODAD version of Lupo frigate:
At Mostra Navale 1982 was published that three countries had requested CNR for a cheaper CODAD version of the Lupo.
CNR replaced the CODOG plant by 4 MTU 20V1163 TB82 diesels with 17000 KW total output and 28 kn max speed.
The big funnel of the "regular" Lupo is replaced by two smaller.
The weapon arrangement is lighter: OTO 76 vs 127, only one "twin forty", and the Aspide/Sparrow launcher is relocated in the B position (seems a 4 missile version).
From 1989, the F-3000
from another discussion in this forum
and with the small sister, the F-1700
90 m long, 12,60 m broad, 1710 t st, 30 kn, and for the weapons: 2 76 SR, 4 OTOMAT MK-2, 16 VL SAM, 1x3 tp launcher & 1 Lynx or similar helo
Falco frigate of 1993 for Abu Dhabi
length 108m
2300 tons
127mm guns
2x 30mm guns
two-shaft CODOG propulsion system is based on two GE LM2500
33kt maximum speed,
6,500nm (12,000km) range.
the last frigate was the Falco of 2002 for Chile
3.600 tons, AAW system like as Aspide o Mica VL, main gun OTO 76 or 127 mm, SSM Otomat or Exocet, 1 helo
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Thanks for the post enrr - really looking forward to seeing more of your stuff ;D
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starviking said:
I agree, especially for the CV's ones.... ;D
Greatarchipeppe said:
Et voilà, the CV project
CNR, now Fincantieri, 1978, for export (Garibaldi was yet on building)
Sea Control & Assault Ship
Displacement: 12500 tonn
overall lenght. 175 m
beam 30
x 19 m (draft? or superstructure?)
max speed: 29 nodi
4 CNR/Foster Wheeler boiler
3 VTOL squadron or heavy helicopter
SSM Otomat
Breda/Bofors 40/70
sclar
Mk32 triple launcher by 324 mm
Selenia IPN10,
NA10,
radar RAN3L,
radar RAN10S,
SPQ2D,
hull sonar
and another image
multirole cruiser
from CNR, 1976
CODOG,
6000 t
unknow lenght
1-127/54,
2-76/62,
4 twin 40mm BredaBofors
1x8 SeaSparrow / Albatros,
2x3 tls 324 mm,
2 Otomat
Minerva Sisters
The C-1000 corvette from CNR:
1000 t st, 75 m long, 10,25 m beam, 2 GMT 230DVM diesels, 25 kn, 6.000 nm/15 kn, 1 Compatto, 1 Albatros, 2 triple TL, 1 RAN 10S search radar, 2 Dardo FCR and MF hull sonar.
CNR 550 t
simple gun boat with 2 76/62 Compatto.
One of the first with a "flex fly deck", indeed
can host 4 SSM Otomat
61,70 x 5 x 2,90
550 tonn
RAN11LX surface search radar
Decca TM1226 navigation radar
NA10 fire radar
EDO 700E sonar
propulsion by 13500 to 18000 HP
2-3-4 shaft
vmax from 25 to 34.5 knots
range 3100 mg at 16 knots with the 13500 HP version
100 tonn of diesel oil, 5 tonn of JP5
Patrol Boat from Rodriguez
SAETTIA Mk 1 of 1984
Private FAC built by Fincantieri, no customer.
Rebuilt on 1998 ca as Patrol Boat for Italian Coast Guard
The C-1000 corvette from CNR:
1000 t st, 75 m long, 10,25 m beam, 2 GMT 230DVM diesels, 25 kn, 6.000 nm/15 kn, 1 Compatto, 1 Albatros, 2 triple TL, 1 RAN 10S search radar, 2 Dardo FCR and MF hull sonar.
CNR 550 t
simple gun boat with 2 76/62 Compatto.
One of the first with a "flex fly deck", indeed
can host 4 SSM Otomat
61,70 x 5 x 2,90
550 tonn
RAN11LX surface search radar
Decca TM1226 navigation radar
NA10 fire radar
EDO 700E sonar
propulsion by 13500 to 18000 HP
2-3-4 shaft
vmax from 25 to 34.5 knots
range 3100 mg at 16 knots with the 13500 HP version
100 tonn of diesel oil, 5 tonn of JP5
Patrol Boat from Rodriguez
SAETTIA Mk 1 of 1984
Private FAC built by Fincantieri, no customer.
Rebuilt on 1998 ca as Patrol Boat for Italian Coast Guard
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GREAT mille grazie!!! (Many Thanks) ;D
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The 550 ton gunboat has its dimensions listed as 61,70 x 5 x 2,90
I think that the beam must be rather more. ( It appears to be an austere version of Ecuador's Esmereldas)
Other than that exceedingly minor quibble, this is an awesomely awesome bit of awesomeness that you have posted. Thank you!
I think that the beam must be rather more. ( It appears to be an austere version of Ecuador's Esmereldas)
Other than that exceedingly minor quibble, this is an awesomely awesome bit of awesomeness that you have posted. Thank you!
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Excellent pictures, many thanks for the details on these projects.
I think it's the version with helipad of the Lybian Wadi Class that is 61,7 x 9,3 x 2,7Brickmuppet said:
I try to ask to some friends
Many thanks
I know a similar proposal, but with the island on center
or with sky-jump
but now the offical program call for 3 LHD
I forgot this rendering :
as promise the Hydrofoil
MF600 with helipad
Rodriguez shipyard, Messina, 1975
project from merchant ship, different type of Sparviero's hydrofoil
Mafius 300
Displacement: 85 tonn; payload of 15 tonn,
overall lenght. 30,95 m
max speed: 37 nodi, cruise 36
range 500 miles
Mafius 600
Displacement: 118 tonn, payload of 18,5 tonn.
overall lenght.35 m
max speed: 38 nodi,
Fincantieri, 1989, Surface Effect Ship
half hovercraft, half catamaran
Displacement: 220 tonn
overall lenght. 40 m
beam 14,5
draft: with air cushion 0,9 without air cushion 2,2
max speed: 60 nodi, cruise 50
range 700 miles @ 40 knot
crew: 15
ASuW version
1 OTO 76 + 4 Otomat/Teseo
ASW version
self defence point + torpedoes launcher
as promise the Hydrofoil
MF600 with helipad
Rodriguez shipyard, Messina, 1975
project from merchant ship, different type of Sparviero's hydrofoil
Mafius 300
Displacement: 85 tonn; payload of 15 tonn,
overall lenght. 30,95 m
max speed: 37 nodi, cruise 36
range 500 miles
Mafius 600
Displacement: 118 tonn, payload of 18,5 tonn.
overall lenght.35 m
max speed: 38 nodi,
Fincantieri, 1989, Surface Effect Ship
half hovercraft, half catamaran
Displacement: 220 tonn
overall lenght. 40 m
beam 14,5
draft: with air cushion 0,9 without air cushion 2,2
max speed: 60 nodi, cruise 50
range 700 miles @ 40 knot
crew: 15
ASuW version
1 OTO 76 + 4 Otomat/Teseo
ASW version
self defence point + torpedoes launcher
and 2 actual offer
Multirole support and submarine rescue vessel
ength overall 103 m
Length between Perpendicular 92.8 m
Breadth max 16.2 m
Full Load Displacement 4,400 t
Power 5,400 kW
Speed 18 knots
Range at 16 knots 3,000 NM
Propulsion 2 electric Azimuthal Pod
3 Diesel generators+emergency 2,700 kW each
Deck crane lifting capacity 18 tm
Crew in total 156
Classification rule RINAMIL
Refuelling capacity 1,000 t
Bow thruster 1
COMBAT SYSTEM
Combat system, customized according to ships mission
Surveillance:
1 x Band Radar
1 Optronic System
2 small Caliber Guns
1 Integrated Communication System
1 Integrated Navigation System
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70 M Fast Attack Craft
Lenght overall 71.20 m
Lenght between Perpendiculars 62.40 m
Breadth moulded 10.20 m
Depth 5.80 m
Design Draft at trial displacement 2.65 m
Maximum continuous speed 30 knots
Economical speed 15 knots
Endurance 14 days
Range at 15 knots 2,300 NM
Four (4) Diesel engines
Four (4) reduction gears and shaft lines
COMBAT SYSTEM
COMBAT SYSTEM CUSTOMIZED, ACCORDING TO SHIPS MISSION :
SURVEILLANCE S/S
C, X Band Radars
Optronic
EWS
C&C
Open Architecture
Modular, based on reconfigurable MFCs
WEAPON S/S
Radar/Optronic FCS
Medium /small Caliber guns
SAM, SSM,
INTEGRATED COMMUNICATION SYSTEM
Internal
External (SAT, Link)
Multirole support and submarine rescue vessel
ength overall 103 m
Length between Perpendicular 92.8 m
Breadth max 16.2 m
Full Load Displacement 4,400 t
Power 5,400 kW
Speed 18 knots
Range at 16 knots 3,000 NM
Propulsion 2 electric Azimuthal Pod
3 Diesel generators+emergency 2,700 kW each
Deck crane lifting capacity 18 tm
Crew in total 156
Classification rule RINAMIL
Refuelling capacity 1,000 t
Bow thruster 1
COMBAT SYSTEM
Combat system, customized according to ships mission
Surveillance:
1 x Band Radar
1 Optronic System
2 small Caliber Guns
1 Integrated Communication System
1 Integrated Navigation System
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70 M Fast Attack Craft
Lenght overall 71.20 m
Lenght between Perpendiculars 62.40 m
Breadth moulded 10.20 m
Depth 5.80 m
Design Draft at trial displacement 2.65 m
Maximum continuous speed 30 knots
Economical speed 15 knots
Endurance 14 days
Range at 15 knots 2,300 NM
Four (4) Diesel engines
Four (4) reduction gears and shaft lines
COMBAT SYSTEM
COMBAT SYSTEM CUSTOMIZED, ACCORDING TO SHIPS MISSION :
SURVEILLANCE S/S
C, X Band Radars
Optronic
EWS
C&C
Open Architecture
Modular, based on reconfigurable MFCs
WEAPON S/S
Radar/Optronic FCS
Medium /small Caliber guns
SAM, SSM,
INTEGRATED COMMUNICATION SYSTEM
Internal
External (SAT, Link)
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Another round-up of italian Never Build (somw new, some new image)
MINI LUPO
from C.N.R.
92,2 ft (84,0 pp) x 10,7 x 5,6 m
dislp of 1.504 tons fl
CODAD, CODOG (1 tag LM2500 and 1 diesel MTU or GMT), COGOG. (1 tag LM2500 and 1 tag LM500)
28 knots
range of 5.000/6.500 with diesel
crew 78
hangar for AB212 ASW
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Compact
1 octuple Albatross for Aspide
1 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat
2 SCLAR,
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
RAN-10S
SPN-703
hull sonar
F1700
Feluca Corvette
850-900 t.
57,8 m. x 9,6
v max 34 knot
range 3.000 nm at 16 knot
crew 55
AA version
1 8-cell Albatross for Aspide
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
4 Otomat Mk2
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
RAN-10S, RAN-12LX, NA30
light AA version
1 4-cell Albatross for Aspide
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
1 twin 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat Mk2
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
ASW version
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
1 twin 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat Mk2
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
sonar Elsag/Raytheon DE-1167 + VDS
deep V
2 diesel + 2 tag
32 knots
range 3.400 nm at 16 knots
1 vls SeaWolf
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
1 twin 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat Mk2
MINI LUPO
from C.N.R.
92,2 ft (84,0 pp) x 10,7 x 5,6 m
dislp of 1.504 tons fl
CODAD, CODOG (1 tag LM2500 and 1 diesel MTU or GMT), COGOG. (1 tag LM2500 and 1 tag LM500)
28 knots
range of 5.000/6.500 with diesel
crew 78
hangar for AB212 ASW
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Compact
1 octuple Albatross for Aspide
1 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat
2 SCLAR,
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
RAN-10S
SPN-703
hull sonar
F1700
Feluca Corvette
850-900 t.
57,8 m. x 9,6
v max 34 knot
range 3.000 nm at 16 knot
crew 55
AA version
1 8-cell Albatross for Aspide
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
4 Otomat Mk2
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
RAN-10S, RAN-12LX, NA30
light AA version
1 4-cell Albatross for Aspide
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
1 twin 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat Mk2
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
ASW version
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
1 twin 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat Mk2
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
sonar Elsag/Raytheon DE-1167 + VDS
deep V
2 diesel + 2 tag
32 knots
range 3.400 nm at 16 knots
1 vls SeaWolf
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
1 twin 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat Mk2
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I will be the first to admit that I know very little about ship design and building!
But this superstructure-over-bow arrangement looks quite odd!
I get the impression, from what large ships I have been on (civilian – Able Tasman & Spirit of Tasmania, Military – HMAS Tubrok and HMAS Kanimbla), that having the superstructure / bridge directly on the bow (even more so than that of the likes of the the U.S Navy’s Whidbey Island class LSD’s) although offering a fantastic command of view, would this not make for a very rough ride for the crew?
Regards
Pioneer
But this superstructure-over-bow arrangement looks quite odd!
I get the impression, from what large ships I have been on (civilian – Able Tasman & Spirit of Tasmania, Military – HMAS Tubrok and HMAS Kanimbla), that having the superstructure / bridge directly on the bow (even more so than that of the likes of the the U.S Navy’s Whidbey Island class LSD’s) although offering a fantastic command of view, would this not make for a very rough ride for the crew?
Regards
Pioneer
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Minor point - the RAN ships would be HMAS Kanimbla and HMAS Manoora (ex/modified - US Saginaw and US Fairfax County). HMAS Tobruk has its superstructure to the rear:
Regards,
Greg
Regards,
Greg
There's a variat of that project for an AOR on LHD hull
Length Over All 165.00 m
Length Between Perpendicular 147.00 m
Breadth 27.00 m
Full Load Displacement abt. 18,000 t
Speed 18 knots
a small OPV
Marco Polo
Length overall abt. 47 m
Length Between Perpendicular abt. 43.5 m
Breadth max abt. 9.4 m
Depth 4.9 m
Full Load Displacement abt. 280 tonnes
Corresponding moulded draught abt. 1.6 m
Sea trial displacement abt. 250 tonnes
Corresponding moulded draught abt. 1.5 m
COMBAT SYSTEM
1 X BAND NAVIGATION RADAR
1 SMALL CALIBER GUN
1 GMDSS RADIO STATION
Multipurpose Corvette
I suppose it was offer to Israel
Length overall abt. 104.00 m
Length between perpendicular 91.20 m
Maximum Breadth 13.90 m
Depth (main deck) 8.60 m
Full load displacement abt. 2,750 tonnes
Corresponding mean draft abt. 4.2 m
Maximum continuous sustained speed at 100% MCR at trial displacement abt. 27.5 knots
CODAD 25.0 knots
CODAG 29.5 knots
CODOG 27.5 knots
MTU 1163 series diesel engines 4 X 7400 kW
Cruising speed 17 knots
Range in diesel mode 3,300 NM
Endurance 30 days
Endurance at 17 knots 3500 NM
Crew 95 + 15
COMBAT SYSTEM CUSTOMIZED, ACCORDING TO SHIPS MISSION :
SURVEILLANCE S/S
C, X Band Radars
Optronic
EWS
Sonar
C&C
Open Architecture
Modular, based on reconfigurable MFCs
WEAPON S/S
Radar/Optronic FCS
Medium /small Caliber guns
SAM, SSM,
ECM
Decoy Launchers
INTEGRATED COMMUNICATION SYSTEM
Internal
External ( SAT, Link )
INTEGRATED NAVITATION SYSTEM
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Ship
Year
Length Over All 165.00 m
Length Between Perpendicular 147.00 m
Breadth 27.00 m
Full Load Displacement abt. 18,000 t
Speed 18 knots
a small OPV
Marco Polo
Length overall abt. 47 m
Length Between Perpendicular abt. 43.5 m
Breadth max abt. 9.4 m
Depth 4.9 m
Full Load Displacement abt. 280 tonnes
Corresponding moulded draught abt. 1.6 m
Sea trial displacement abt. 250 tonnes
Corresponding moulded draught abt. 1.5 m
COMBAT SYSTEM
1 X BAND NAVIGATION RADAR
1 SMALL CALIBER GUN
1 GMDSS RADIO STATION
Multipurpose Corvette
I suppose it was offer to Israel
Length overall abt. 104.00 m
Length between perpendicular 91.20 m
Maximum Breadth 13.90 m
Depth (main deck) 8.60 m
Full load displacement abt. 2,750 tonnes
Corresponding mean draft abt. 4.2 m
Maximum continuous sustained speed at 100% MCR at trial displacement abt. 27.5 knots
CODAD 25.0 knots
CODAG 29.5 knots
CODOG 27.5 knots
MTU 1163 series diesel engines 4 X 7400 kW
Cruising speed 17 knots
Range in diesel mode 3,300 NM
Endurance 30 days
Endurance at 17 knots 3500 NM
Crew 95 + 15
COMBAT SYSTEM CUSTOMIZED, ACCORDING TO SHIPS MISSION :
SURVEILLANCE S/S
C, X Band Radars
Optronic
EWS
Sonar
C&C
Open Architecture
Modular, based on reconfigurable MFCs
WEAPON S/S
Radar/Optronic FCS
Medium /small Caliber guns
SAM, SSM,
ECM
Decoy Launchers
INTEGRATED COMMUNICATION SYSTEM
Internal
External ( SAT, Link )
INTEGRATED NAVITATION SYSTEM
SEARCH
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Ship
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On a separate note, here is an unbuilt design of a hospital ship for an Italian charity:
A .pdf file with few details other than a slightly higher resolution version of the same profile drawing:
http://www.medchild.org/upload/Progetti/Files/43_200719_191949_update%20dec%2006.pdf
I notice superficial design similarities to the current Fincantieri LHD proposals, although this is obviously a much smaller ship. Does anyone know if any progress has been made on this project? I know it is a digression from typically military topics, but considering the season, and the pertinence to other unbuilt Italian projects, I thought that it might be relevant?
Does anyone have any more details, drawings or specifications?
A .pdf file with few details other than a slightly higher resolution version of the same profile drawing:
http://www.medchild.org/upload/Progetti/Files/43_200719_191949_update%20dec%2006.pdf
I notice superficial design similarities to the current Fincantieri LHD proposals, although this is obviously a much smaller ship. Does anyone know if any progress has been made on this project? I know it is a digression from typically military topics, but considering the season, and the pertinence to other unbuilt Italian projects, I thought that it might be relevant?
Does anyone have any more details, drawings or specifications?
I know the San Giusto Mk IV but I don't know the lenght
The LAMURS-40 for amphibious force of Italian Army, the Lagunari regiment of Venice - 1978
lenght 39,8 m x 7,2 x 1,4
2 diesel for 520 HP
15 knot
5.000 nm
crew 21
3 x 20 mm
1 Agusta A109
1 FIAT/OTO Melara 6614
1 FIAT 1107 AD
Picchiotti LC-67
67 m long, 1400 t, 2x2700 Kw Diesels, 19 kn. Up to 5 M-60, or 16 M-113, or 5 NH-500 helos, 1x2 40 mm and 2x1 20 mm.
Signali/Ferrari LC-30
: 29.3 x 8,25 x 1 m. Designed for coastal and river operations. 1x 20 mm, 2 Castoldi hydrojets, 23 kn.
The LAMURS-40 for amphibious force of Italian Army, the Lagunari regiment of Venice - 1978
lenght 39,8 m x 7,2 x 1,4
2 diesel for 520 HP
15 knot
5.000 nm
crew 21
3 x 20 mm
1 Agusta A109
1 FIAT/OTO Melara 6614
1 FIAT 1107 AD
Picchiotti LC-67
67 m long, 1400 t, 2x2700 Kw Diesels, 19 kn. Up to 5 M-60, or 16 M-113, or 5 NH-500 helos, 1x2 40 mm and 2x1 20 mm.
Signali/Ferrari LC-30
: 29.3 x 8,25 x 1 m. Designed for coastal and river operations. 1x 20 mm, 2 Castoldi hydrojets, 23 kn.
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Here is a topic in an Italian language forum which contains additional content on unbuilt Italian naval projects:
http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?showtopic=27790&st=200
http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?showtopic=27790&st=200
Very interesting topic this - there are some nice ideas presented, and certainly many of the designs keep up the Italian tradition of designing attractive ships.
Regarding the forward location of the bridge - although that example is very far forward, it is not out of the ordinary when compared with commercial car carriers, for example at:
http://www.tsoe.com/neu/ships/nsccarcarrier.jpg
It may well be the case that the LPD is derived from a commercial configuration.
RP1
Regarding the forward location of the bridge - although that example is very far forward, it is not out of the ordinary when compared with commercial car carriers, for example at:
http://www.tsoe.com/neu/ships/nsccarcarrier.jpg
It may well be the case that the LPD is derived from a commercial configuration.
RP1
Fincantieri upgrade the LHD from 15/16 ktons to 20 ktons
15k
20k
Length overall 190.00 m
Length Between Perpendicular 167.00 m
Maximum breadth 33 m
Breadth 28.00 m
Full Load Displacement 20,000 t
Propulsion Diesel engines 10,000 kWm
Diesel Generators sets 4x 2,500 kWe
Operational speed 20 knots
Range at 16 knots 7,000 NM
Flight deck for up to 6 helicopters EH-101 type
Helicopters hangar for up to 6 EH-101 type
Vehicle deck capability up to 1200 metric lanes
Hospital area about 1000 m² plus 1000 m² of convertible areas
Floodable dock about 50x15 m
Vehicle ramps 1 stern + 1 side
Accomodation 200 crew + 750 troups
Combat System:
Air & Surface surveillance system ( combined air/surface surveillance radar or air+surface surveillance radar's)
Mine avoidance sonar
Artillery: 3 Short Range Gun 25mm + 2 Otomelara 76/62 SR (acting also as CIWS)
EW system (ESM/ECM + 2 AAW DLS)
Torpedo defense (Towed Array + 2 ASW DLS)
Open archtectural command & control system able to be implemented also in later phase (i.e. adding operational functions & operator consoles) (400 m² avaible)
Integrated comms. system (including also the means for landing troups)
Integrated navigation system (including X and S band navigation radar's)
I think the OTO 76 on the deck is for say to the parlament: "this isn't an aircraft carrier but an amphibious ship like as San Giusto". The problem is taht this design is bigger of Garibaldi CVS ;D
and speaking of Garibaldi the public project on 1979 with flat fly-deck... but the costruction of GG begin on feb 78 :
and upgrade of MOSAIC corvette with the caracteristic closest to Marina Militare requirement for Minerva and Cassiopea replacement
Length overall 104.00 m
Breadth 13.90 m
Draft 3.80 m
Displacement abt. 2,400 tonnes
Speed Max/Cruise/Economics 30/18/14 knots
Range at 14 kts 5000 NM
Endurance >12 days
Crew 90 + 15
Helicopter 10 tons with hangar
Propulsion CODAD-4 MTU 20 V 1163
Diesel Generators 4 x 600 kW
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someone has something on the new algeria's corvette on building with Fincantieri help?
15k
20k
Length overall 190.00 m
Length Between Perpendicular 167.00 m
Maximum breadth 33 m
Breadth 28.00 m
Full Load Displacement 20,000 t
Propulsion Diesel engines 10,000 kWm
Diesel Generators sets 4x 2,500 kWe
Operational speed 20 knots
Range at 16 knots 7,000 NM
Flight deck for up to 6 helicopters EH-101 type
Helicopters hangar for up to 6 EH-101 type
Vehicle deck capability up to 1200 metric lanes
Hospital area about 1000 m² plus 1000 m² of convertible areas
Floodable dock about 50x15 m
Vehicle ramps 1 stern + 1 side
Accomodation 200 crew + 750 troups
Combat System:
Air & Surface surveillance system ( combined air/surface surveillance radar or air+surface surveillance radar's)
Mine avoidance sonar
Artillery: 3 Short Range Gun 25mm + 2 Otomelara 76/62 SR (acting also as CIWS)
EW system (ESM/ECM + 2 AAW DLS)
Torpedo defense (Towed Array + 2 ASW DLS)
Open archtectural command & control system able to be implemented also in later phase (i.e. adding operational functions & operator consoles) (400 m² avaible)
Integrated comms. system (including also the means for landing troups)
Integrated navigation system (including X and S band navigation radar's)
I think the OTO 76 on the deck is for say to the parlament: "this isn't an aircraft carrier but an amphibious ship like as San Giusto". The problem is taht this design is bigger of Garibaldi CVS ;D
and speaking of Garibaldi the public project on 1979 with flat fly-deck... but the costruction of GG begin on feb 78 :
and upgrade of MOSAIC corvette with the caracteristic closest to Marina Militare requirement for Minerva and Cassiopea replacement
Length overall 104.00 m
Breadth 13.90 m
Draft 3.80 m
Displacement abt. 2,400 tonnes
Speed Max/Cruise/Economics 30/18/14 knots
Range at 14 kts 5000 NM
Endurance >12 days
Crew 90 + 15
Helicopter 10 tons with hangar
Propulsion CODAD-4 MTU 20 V 1163
Diesel Generators 4 x 600 kW
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someone has something on the new algeria's corvette on building with Fincantieri help?
as always, I forgot something ;D
NEW MAESTRALE frigate
Length overall.......................... 134.40 m
Length between perpendiculars.. 115.60 m
Full load displacement.............. 4,000 t
Total Accommodation................ 120/130
Propulsion System
Configuration........................... COGAG
Max. Continuous Speed............ > 27 kts
Range at 18 kts....................... 7,000 N.M.
Combat System
AAW/ASuW Capabilities
EW Capabilities
they recycle Maestrale name because they recycle Maestrale hull form with new stealth superstructure
NEW MAESTRALE frigate
Length overall.......................... 134.40 m
Length between perpendiculars.. 115.60 m
Full load displacement.............. 4,000 t
Total Accommodation................ 120/130
Propulsion System
Configuration........................... COGAG
Max. Continuous Speed............ > 27 kts
Range at 18 kts....................... 7,000 N.M.
Combat System
AAW/ASuW Capabilities
EW Capabilities
they recycle Maestrale name because they recycle Maestrale hull form with new stealth superstructure
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I assume the CODAD Lupo in the 2nd post are the same size as the original Lupo, do you have data for the displacement?
I'm not sure but maybe I can see a triple torpedo tubes on the F-3000 design, or maybe those are just boats. Can you tell me if my eyes are good or not?
Sadly many drawings and photos are now not available
I'm not sure but maybe I can see a triple torpedo tubes on the F-3000 design, or maybe those are just boats. Can you tell me if my eyes are good or not?
Sadly many drawings and photos are now not available
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Hopefully Enrr still has the images.
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