Russian fighter "104" (1939)

borovik · 11 June 2007

"104" experimental fighter, 1939. Designer - A.M. Izaxon
Engines = 2xM-107, 3-blade props, 2x1650 HP
Max. speed 650 km/h
Span=15 m
length=12.25 m
MTOW=5300 kg
Fuel tank=800 kg

There are more specifications, I just couldn't translate them correctly right now

Stated as it is designed by people collected from GULAG in TsKB-29 NKVD.

Source: "Aviatsia & Cosmonavtica" magazine, #4-98

lark · 11 June 2007

Excellent.A complete unknown design...
Thanks.

p.s. Is the name written "Izaxon" as you mention it? It reminds me a
Swedish designer with the name Isacson ...

overscan (PaulMM) · 11 June 2007

Изаксон or Izakson is a fairly common (presumably Jewish) name in Russia, so not necessarily connected.

lark · 11 June 2007

Thanks...

borovik · 11 June 2007

overscan said:
Изаксон or Izakson is a fairly common (presumably Jewish) name in Russia, so not necessarily connected.

Yes, you are right, thanks. Should be Alexander M. Izakson. Swedish is Sigurd Izacson. His aircraft's model
was manufactured by Unicraft Models as Blohm & Voss.
http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/germ/bvzerst/bvzerst.htm

overscan (PaulMM) · 11 June 2007

He was one of the Pe-2 designers.

Hood · 12 June 2007

I guess there was a large pool of talent in the Gulags to choose from, most designers who failed seemed to be under the watch of the NKVD. I hope the lack of a production model doesn't indicate the fate of TsKB-29!

Did they produce any other designs or were they a one project team?

borovik · 12 June 2007

overscan said:
He was one of the Pe-2 designers.

Oh, yes but a little bit later. In TzKB-29 (Central Design Bureau) that NKVD formed, they've used the designations
starting with number '100'.
So V.M. Petlyakov began to design high-altitude fighter "100". He worked hard it and his work ended
in construction of Pe-2.
V.M.Myasishchyev began to work at the plane "102". Which later came out as long-range high-altitude
bomber DVB-102
A.N.Tupolev has designed the plane "103" which later is know diver Tu-2
A.M.Isakson has designed number "104" But due to a member of reasons /overmodernality of design and
overloading of it, it ended with nothing.
Later all these designers including S.P. Korolyev worked the Pe-2 and Pe-3 aircrafts.

hesham · 13 June 2007

Hi,

And at the end the aircraft 104 was going to Tu-2 as all
weather fighter.

flateric · 13 June 2007

hesham said:
Hi,

And at the end the aircraft 104 was going to Tu-2 as all
weather fighter.

Pardon me? Hesham, please read last Borovik's post.

Regarding those number designations - sharashka prisoners were working in so-called STOs (spetzial'ny technichesky otdel - special technical department, in fact, each being separate design bureau). "Sto" also means figure '100' in Russian. Later, for security reasons, word 'Sto' was changed with number 100. Petlyakov's STO was first, so his bureau got number 100, Myasichev's was second so he got '102', Tupolev got 103, Tomashevich -110. While one can try to trace STO designation numbers to aircrafts designation they designed, there's in fact no direct connection.

borovik · 17 June 2007

And so much for this.So to wind up the information on this topic some more facts...

DIS - 2 (VK-107) Dalnyi Istrebitel Soprovozhdeniya (long-range fighter escort) is a
profound modification of Pe-2 I. (Пе-2 И). It was created just as an attampt to reach
the level of russian analogue "Mosquito" after Petlyakov was perished IZAKSON was
those who became the chief designer. Under his leadership this model of plane has
begun to be built Myasishchyev finished this model at the end of 1945.
Engine: 2VK-107A
Span m. : 18,110
Lenght m. :13,795
Max speed km/h :627
Range km. :1700 (max.4000)
Armament : 2 x B-20
1 x BT-20
2 x 37 mm (250 rds) or 2 x 45mm (200rds) or 2 x 57mm (175 rds)

Source: Aviatsiya i kosmonavtica #8.1998

T-50 · 1 April 2009

I knew that the Russians could build advanced designs,but they were more progressive than I allways thought!
My respect to the Russian aviation specialists,they re not copy cats makers.

Nick Sumner · 2 April 2009

Thank you Borovick for posting the information on the DIS-2. The engine exhaust configuration shown in the three view drawing seems unusual and quite unlike other installations of the VK-107. It looks almost like a double V type such as the Allison V-3420?

ucon · 2 April 2009

Hi all!
Some additional info to Borovik's post about DIS-2:
1. Cover and first page of DIS-2 technical descriprion
2. 3/4 front view.
3. Pilot's cabin and gun.
4. Drawings of DIS-2 but with four-blade propellers.
5. Myasishchev's personal album with DIS-2 description

Source: Illustrated Encyclopedia Mysishchev's aircraft, vol. 2 (OKB-22), Avico Press. 2003

hesham · 6 June 2016

Hi,

in the same article about this Project,I found this drawing,what was it ?.

borovik · 6 June 2016

One embodiment of preliminary design of P-38

hesham · 6 June 2016

Thank you my dear Borovik.

hesham · 2 November 2016

From Kryl'ya Rodine 5/2016.

Avimimus · 2 November 2016

I can't make out the words for weapon system II... is that supposed to be the mounting for a 76mm or is it something else?

hesham · 2 November 2016

Avimimus said:
I can't make out the words for weapon system II... is that supposed to be the mounting for a 76mm or is it something else?

Yes.

borovik · 2 November 2016

Avimimus said:
I can't make out the words for weapon system II... is that supposed to be the mounting for a 76mm or is it something else?

It provided for the possibility of the aircraft "104" equipment
in the distance-accelerated version
bomber weapons. In this case, in the fuselage
placed special cassettes with artillery
75-76 mm caliber shells in the amount of 24 pieces. There was
the ability to reset these shells in different combinations,
establishing further fuzes at different distances.
Shells were dropped against air targets
when exiting a dive.

Avimimus · 3 November 2016

Aha! Thanks Borovik!

So it was for air-to-air bombing? (if I understand correctly)

borovik · 3 November 2016

absolutely right

blackkite · 20 January 2017

Hi! Wing root upper shape is interesting.

http://coollib.com/b/302301/read

hesham · 22 January 2017

blackkite said:
Hi! Wing root upper shape is interesting.

http://coollib.com/b/302301/read

My dear Blackkite,

please check for your info,it was not Aircraft-104,it was Myasishchev DIS,which developed
from Petlyakov Pe.2 ?!.

blackkite · 22 January 2017

Hi! I followed borovik-san's post.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1975.0.html

blackkite · 18 June 2017

Hi! Izaxon 104 larger three side view drawing.
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft30969.htm

http://alternathistory.com/eksperimentalnyi-istrebitel-104-sssr

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