Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH.

hi all

Also my dear AM,


FW.42 a well known bomber project
A.46 light aircraft,but I am not sure about it.

Thank you very much !!!

Some notes taken from a book on Henrich Focke which mentions some early Focke-Wulf designs through to the mid-1930's.

It complements AM's earlier list.

A.1 (1909) Single seat canard aka “Focke-Alberti Ente”
A.2 (1910) Single seat wire-braced glider
A.3 (1910) Single seat canard with 8hp motor
A.5 (1912) Single engine tractor Taube-type monoplane
A.6 (1914) Tractor biplane

A.16 (1924) High wing transport plane for pilot + 3 passengers
A.16a (1925) High wing transport with 100 hp Daimler D1
A.16b (1925) High wing transport with 85 hp Junkers L1a
A.16c (1926) High wing transport with Siemens engine
A.16d (1925) High wing transport with Mercedes DII engine
GL.18 (1926) Transport with pilot + 4 passengers
GL.18a (1926) Transport with 2 x 84 hp Siemens Sh 11
GL.18c (1928) Transport with 2 x 108 hp Siemens Sh 12
A.20a (1928) 1 + 4 seated transport with Wright Whirlwind
GL.22 (1928) 1 + 4 passenger aircraft 2 x Siemens Sh 12 engines
K.23 Buchfink (1928) Reconnaissance biplane

AL.101C (1930) Two seat trainer and sportsplane
AL.101D (1930) Two seat trainer and sportsplane
AL.45 (1931) Sporting biplane 14 built
AL.45D (1931) Sporting biplane 2 built with 320 hp BMW VI
AL.45DSB (1931) Sporting biplane 12 built with BMW IV engine
AL.84 (1931) Two seat fighter biplane
A.38a Mowe (1931) Passenger transport
A.38b Mowe (1931) Passenger transport operated by Luft Hansa
Fw 42 (1932) Twin engine canard bomber project
L.102 Wasser (1932) Two-seat reconnaissance biplane with Argus As10c
Fw 44B (1933) Limited production 120 hp Argus As 8
Fw 44C (1933) Series production version
Fw 47C (1933) Two-seat reconnaissance with Argus As 10C
Fw 47D (1933) Two-seat reconnaissance with Argus As 10E
L.102B Land (1934) Two-seat reconnaissance braced monoplane with Argus As10c
L.103 (1934) Experimental monoplane
Fw.55 Wasser (1934) Two-seat reconnaissance biplane
Fw.55 Land (1934) Two-seat reconnaissance monoplane
Fw.56 Stosser (1935) High-wing military aircraft
Fw.57 (1935) Twin engine military aircraft 2 x Jumo 210G engines
Fw.58 Weihe (1935) Twin-engine military utility
Fw.58 A (1935) Twin-engine military utility prototype version
Fw.58 B (1935) Twin-engine military utility production version 2 x 240 hp Argus As 10 C
Fw.58 BW (1936) Twin-engine military utility floatplane
Fw.58C (1936) Twin-engine transport 2 x 240 hp Argus As 10 C
Fw.61 (1936) Twin-rotor helicopter
Fw.62 (193?) Biplane floatplane

Source:
Focke Flugzeuge und Hubschrauber von Henrich Focke 1912-1961 by Enno Springmann (Aviatic Verlag) ISBN 3925505369
Die Deutsche Luftrustung 1933-1945 by Heinz Nowarra (Bernard & Graefe) ISBN 3828953158

Unlike Messerschmitt, Heinkel, Henschel and Blohm & Voss, Focke-Wulf did not use a 'P' system to number its aircraft projects, rather it put together a 'Baubeschreibung' or 'Kurzbeschreibung' on them - a sort of brief report. The number of this document was then used in reference to the project. All the wartime projects seem to fall between Baubeschreibung Nr. 200 and Nr. 292, and Kurzbeschreibung (sometimes Kurzbaubeschreibung) Nr. 1 and Nr 30. I've spent a few years attempting to compile a list and this is the best I can manage so far...

Nr. 101 Fw 58
Nr. 133 Fw 200 (January 9, 1937)
Nr. 138 Tragschrauber-Baumuster Fw 186 V1, V2 mit As 10 H-Motor (January 16, 1937)
Nr. 1030 Fw 58 'Weihe' Reiseflugzeug (dated May 6, 1938)
Nr. 1041 Fw 58 (1938-1939)
Nr. 181 Schwerer Jaeger Fw 187 V4 (dated June 7, 1938)
Nr. 187 Fw 190 Verfolgungs-Jagseinsitzer (dated July 27, 1938)
Nr. 201 B2 - Schulflugzeug Fw 189 V5 (dated November 18, 1938)
Nr. 213 Zweimotoriges Schlachtflugzeug Fw 189 V1a (dated May 16, 1939)
Nr. 225 Mittlerer Bomber – 2 x DB 603 (Fw 191 project, dated February 13, 1940)
Nr. 230 Zwei mot kampfflugzeug (Fw 191)
Nr. 231 Fw 200 L transport
Nr. 232 Fw 200 L bomber
Nr. 233 2 mot. Stuka 1 Mann (dated July 25, 1940)
Nr. 235 2 mot. Stuka 2 Mann (dated September 10, 1940)
Nr. 236 Fw 300
Nr. 237 Verkehrsflugzeug mit 2 x BMW 800 Triebwerken (dated September 6, 1940)
Nr. 238 Fernkampfflugzeug "H" mit 4 x BMW 801 - Motoren (dated April 29, 1941)
Nr. 239 Verkehrsflugzeug Fw 206
Nr. 242 Fernkampf-Flugzeug mit 6 x DB 603 Motoren (December 2, 1941)
Nr. 246 Grosstransporter (dated June 5, 1942)
Nr. 247 Fernkampfflugzeug
Nr. 248 Fw 491 (dated July 6, 1942)
Nr. 249 Grosstransporter (dated June 8, 1942)
Nr. 251 Hoehenjagdflugzeug Fw 190 mit Triebwerk BMW 801 D (dated August 14, 1942)
Nr. 252 Hoehenjagdflugzeug Fw 190 mit Triebwerk DB 603 A (dated August 17, 1942)
Nr. 256 Nachtjäger Ta 154 (dated December 20, 1942)
Nr. 258 Fw 300 Fernkampfflugzeug (my copy is undated)
Nr. 261 Fernkampfflugzeug mit 4 x BMW 801E-Motoren
Nr. 262 Fernkampfflugzeug mit 6 x BMW 801E-Motoren
Nr. 264 Jäger mit Junkers-Turbinentriebwerk (‘2. Design’, dated June 9, 1943)
Nr. 265 Nachtjäger 154A
Nr. 268 Jagdflugzeug Fw 190 D mit teilweise uebernommenem Einheitstriebwerk Jumo 213 A (dated December 2, 1943)
Nr. 270 Jagdflugzeug Ta 152 A und B (dated December 16, 1943)
Nr. 271 Höhenjagdflugzeug Ta 152H (dated January 18, 1944)
Nr. 272 Einmotoriger TL-Jäger mit R-Gerät (twin boom single-jet fighter, sometimes known erroneously as the ‘Flitzer’ dated February 1, 1944. No report on the aircraft uses the word 'Flitzer' and it seems never to have been presented as such to any external third parties, but internal company memos between about May and September 1944 do use that word and clearly in reference to the Nr. 272/Nr. 280 design)
Nr. 279 1-TL-Jäger (Ta 183)
Nr. 280 1-TL-Jäger (seemingly the same as the Nr. 272 design but with the rocket engine as an option rather than built-in, dated August 15, 1944)
Nr. 281 Einmotoriges Jagdflugzeug mit PTL-Gerat 021 (dated August 18, 1944)
Nr. 283 Strahlrohrjäger (ramjet fighter sometimes known erroneously as the ‘Ta 283’) (dated August 4, 1944)
Nr. 284 Jagdflugzeug Fw 190 A-8 (dated November 30, 1944 - basically a roundup of all the many subvariants of the A-8)
Nr. 290 Ta 152C
Nr. 292 Ta 152H

Known Focke-Wulf Kurzbeschreibung/Kursbaubeschreibung or ‘brief specification’ documents
Nr. 02 Fernkampfflugzeug mit 4 x BMW 801 (dated January 4, 1943)
Nr. 05 Fw 190 mit Jumo 222 C/D (dated March 8, 1943)
Nr. 08 Jagdflugzeug mit BMW 803 (dated April 9, 1943)
Nr. 09 Kampfflugzeug Ta 154 (dated June 10, 1943)
Nr. 10 Höhenjäger mit DB 603 U und TKL 15 (dated August 7, 1943)
Nr. 11 Höhenjagdflugzeug Ta 152 H
Nr. 12 Ta 154 A-0/U2
Nr. 13 Ta 152 mit Jumo 222 AB/3 bzw Jumo 222 E/F
Nr. 14 Schlachtflugzeug mit Jumo 222 AB/3 (ground attack Ta 152) (dated July 7, 1944)
Nr. 15 Gleitbombe für die Fw 190 A-8 bzw. A-9 (dated August 16, 1944)
Nr. 16 Hochleistungsjäger mit As 9-413 (dated October 1, 1944)
Nr. 17 Hochleistungsjäger mit Jumo 222 E/F (dated October 3, 1944)
Nr. 18 Jagdflugzeug mit He S 011 (dated October 3, 1944)
Nr. 19 Ta 152 (H) mit Jumo 222 E (dated October 3, 1944)
Nr. 21 Nachtjäger und Schlechtwetterzerstörer Jumo 222 E/F und 2 x BMW 003 (dated November 23, 1944)
Nr. 22 Einmotorige PTL-Kampfjäger (dated November 22, 1944)
Nr. 23 Zweimotoriges TL-Jadgflugzeug mit HeS 109-011 (dated November 23, 1944)
Nr. 24 Jagdeinsitzer mit DB 603 N (dated November 23, 1944)
Nr. 26 Nachtjäger mit 2 x HeS 011 (dated January 27, 1945)
Nr. 27 Nachtjäger mit 2 x HeS 011 (dated February 7, 1945)
Nr. 28 Schnellkampfflugzeug fuer max. 30000kg Abwurflast (dated February 10, 1945)
Nr. 30 TL-Jäger mit HeS 011-Gerät (dated January 10, 1945)

Good work my dear Dan.

Thanks for your efforts and for sharing, Cy-27 and Newsdeskdan!By the way, Dan, when will your next publication come to light? Can you tell the editor and title?

My dear Dan,you also sent this;

Nr. 284 Jagdflugzeug Fw 190 A-8 (individual pages dated variously Nov 30, 1944; Feb 4, 1945; Nov 27, 1944; Nov 28, 1944, or Sept 8, 1944)

hesham said:

My dear Dan,you also sent this;

Nr. 284 Jagdflugzeug Fw 190 A-8 (individual pages dated variously Nov 30, 1944; Feb 4, 1945; Nov 27, 1944; Nov 28, 1944, or Sept 8, 1944)

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Hm - is Jagdflugzeug Fw 190 A-8 Baubeschreibung Nr. 248 or 284? I've had a quick look back through my paperwork but I've yet to locate it (I have rather a lot of paperwork). I did turn up another Kurzbeschreibung in the process though - Nr. 13 is Ta 152 mit Jumo 222 AB/3 bzw Jumo 222 E/F.

Wurger said:

Thanks for your efforts and for sharing, Cy-27 and Newsdeskdan!By the way, Dan, when will your next publication come to light? Can you tell the editor and title?

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I'm not actually sure which title of mine will come next - probably British Secret Projects 5: Britain's Space Shuttle from Crecy.

Thanks for your reply, Dan, I`ve seen it advertised. Do you have anything on WW2 german aviation poping-up?

Wurger said:

Thanks for your reply, Dan, I`ve seen it advertised. Do you have anything on WW2 german aviation poping-up?

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I've written a followup to Luftwaffe: Secret Jets which should be out reasonably soon, though I can't say exactly when.

I`ll be looking forward to it!

me too

Me three.

Count me in.

It seems you have a host of followers, Dan ! Perhaps after the 2nd volume of "Secret Jets..." you could pursue something on Focke-Wulf B)?

By all means ;D!!!

By the way,

a copy of the whole FW archive was transferred to DVL in April 1945,as I know.

newsdeskdan said:

Nr. 272 Einmotoriger TL-Jäger mit R-Gerät (twin boom single-jet fighter, sometimes known erroneously as the ‘Flitzer’ dated February 1, 1944)

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My dear Dan,

even Flugzeug Classic said it was Nr.272.

Focke-Wulf presented its twin-boom jet fighter design to third parties in February 1944 as the Baubeschreibung Nr. 272 Einmotoriger TL-Jäger mit R-Gerät, and later in July 1944 as Baubeschreibung Nr. 280 Einmotoriger TL-Jäger mit R-Gerät (see attached). But I was mistaken when I stated in Luftwaffe: Secret Jets and on this forum that absolutely no period document ever refers to it as the Flitzer. After several years of searching, I have recently discovered a set of internal company memos which make reference to 'Flitzer' or 'Projekt Flitzer' and are clearly referring to that single-jet design. These date from around May 1944 to September 1944.
The Nr. 272 report was dated February 1944 but memos earlier than May 1944 don't seem to use 'Flitzer'.

Thank you my dear Dan.

The Entwurf series ;

5008.009-46
8206000-7604
82075-321
82075-421
82114
413.001
011.001
011.018
011.025
011.045
011.046
011.047
021-009
12222-03
12222-04
101014-22
101005-201
101005-202
101005-203
101014-22
101025-501
101025-504
101025-505
101025-506
101025-507
101025-509
101025-559
101025-560
101025-564
1013141-02
1013141-16
1015002-14
1025001-18
111905-502
222.001
222.004
222.010
222.018
0310.025-506
0310.025-509
0310.025-553
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0310.025-1006
0310.035-512
0310.141-11
0310.141-14
0310.195
0310.206-21
0310.206-22
0310.206-27
0310.224-20
0310.224-30
0310.224-31
0310.224-33
0310.224-34
0310.224-50
0310.224-52
0310.224-92
0310.225-20
0310.225-26
0310.226-31
0310.226-32
0310.226-40
0310.226-60
0310.226-61
0310.226-62
0310.226-63
0310.226-94
0310.226-126
0310.226-127
0310.231-02A
0310.231-04A
0310.237-2
0310.339-01
0310.339-02
0310.339-03
0310.339-04
0310.339-05
0310.339-06
0310.339-07
0310.339-08
0310.339-09
0310.339-10
0310.240-004
0310.240-005
0310.240-0061
0310.244-30
0310.246-10-02
0310.251-04
0310.251-13
0310.251-14
0310.251-22
0310.251-23
0310.251-25
0310.251-36
0310.251-50
0310.251-51
0310.251-52
0310.251-53
0310.251-54
0310.252-100
0310.252-102
0310.252-103
0310.252-110
0310.252-112
0310.252-115
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0310.256-04
0310.256-05
0310.256-07
0310.256-05-201
0310.256-05-202
0310.256-05-203
0310.256-05-502
0310.256-141-02
0310.256-141-16
0310.256-001-18
0310.25-1006
0310.10225
5008.009-46

Who can add,or correct me if I was wrong.

I do as advice from dear Apophenia

Those are just drawing numbers.

newsdeskdan said:

Those are just drawing numbers.

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OK my dear Dan,and please can you add to this list ?.

hesham said:

newsdeskdan said:

Those are just drawing numbers.

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OK my dear Dan,and please can you add to this list ?.

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I've been gradually updating the Baubeschreibung list for about four years. There are too many drawings to list every single drawing number and what the drawing depicts.

I add;

101005-201
101005-202
101005-203
1013141-02
1013141-16
1025001-18
111905-502

newsdeskdan said:

I've been gradually updating the Baubeschreibung list for about four years. There are too many drawings to list every single drawing number and what the drawing depicts.

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Good evening,

I see you have been keeping a list of Baubeschreibungen.
Do you happen to have Baubeschreibung Nr. 284 FW 190 A-8 without a watermark or maybe the version of www.deutscheluftwaffe.de?
I only see the WWIIAircraftPerformance .com version all over the internet.

Regards,

Edwin

Shortways said:

Good evening,

I see you have been keeping a list of Baubeschreibungen.
Do you happen to have Baubeschreibung Nr. 284 FW 190 A-8 without a watermark or maybe the version of www.deutscheluftwaffe.de?
I only see the WWIIAircraftPerformance .com version all over the internet.

Regards,

Edwin

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The full updated list is elsewhere on this forum. I'm not overly interested in Nr. 284 so I've never bothered to try and photograph it. The original is at the Imperial War Museum, I think.

That’s okay. I have already got it in the mean time (via this forum). Thanks for the info.

Hi,

I think as a logical analysis,there were a gaps between FW 260,360,860,960,1160,1260,so I guess
they are an unknown designs,am I right ?.

hesham said:

Hi,

I think as a logical analysis,there were a gaps between FW 260,360,860,960,1160,1260,so I guess
they are an unknown designs,am I right ?.

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Stop with the numerology.

overscan (PaulMM) said:

Stop with the numerology.

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My dear PaulMM,no numerology,

but it's facts we can't deny or ignore,there were many designs for Focke-Wulf,had no numbers
in its designation,such as these concepts,and I have more,but it's not allow to me to publish
them ?.

newsdeskdan said:

Nr. 261 Fernkampfflugzeug mit 4 x BMW 801E-Motoren
Nr. 262 Fernkampfflugzeug mit 6 x BMW 801E-Motoren

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I suppose 262 were proposed version of 6 Bmw 801 of Fw 261 .

newsdeskdan said:

Nr. 242 Fernkampf-Flugzeug mit 6 x DB 603 Motoren (December 2, 1941)

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this is unknow for me.

newsdeskdan said:

Nr. 237 Verkehrsflugzeug mit 2 x BMW 800 Triebwerken (dated September 6, 1940)

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i don't know which engines were Bmw 800 ...

airman said:

i don't know which engines were Bmw 800 ...

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IIUC, the BMW 800 was a single-row 9-cylinder radial intended to use BMW 801 components. However, the RLM wasn't interested and there were serious technical objections from BMW's own engineers.

The BMW 800 seems to have been a pet project of BMW Generaldirektor Franz Josef Popp. He had this design developed at BMW's Flugmotorenfabrik Eisenach (to get around those technical objections by his engineers at Munich and Spandau).

Apophenia said:

IIUC, the BMW 800 was a single-row 9-cylinder radial intended to use BMW 801 components. However, the RLM wasn't interested and there were serious technical objections from BMW's own engineers.

The BMW 800 seems to have been a pet project of BMW Generaldirektor Franz Josef Popp. He had this design developed at BMW's Flugmotorenfabrik Eisenach (to get around those technical objections by his engineers at Munich and Spandau).

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a sort of Bmw 132 based on Bmw 801 i supposed.

airman said:

a sort of Bmw 132 based on Bmw 801 i supposed.

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Yes, Popp probably envisioned his BMW 800 as a general replacement for both the BMW 132 and the Bramo 323 Fafnir.