Tupolev post 1945 combat aircraft projects
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"Tu-200" was a made up Western designation. The actual Tupolev heavy bomber projects were 485, 471, 473, 474 with 6 to 8 engines.
129 was a late 50s light bomber (between Su-7 and Tu-98 in size) resembling the Thunderchief.
129 was a late 50s light bomber (between Su-7 and Tu-98 in size) resembling the Thunderchief.
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Dear Hesham...I think some of your internet sources are not always consistent. You'll find the 200 3-view on page 14 Soviet Secret Projects (Tony Buttler). There not many pics of Tupolev 485-487-489 series but you can find all on Air Fleet magazine ( I can find the reference if you need it).
Also in the bastion encyclopedia can be found 3 views from Tu-200 (2 different models), 485 and 489.
http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?BST-010
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Besides which, I highly suggest getting hold of Soviet Secret Projects: Jet Bombers. It has all the information you need.
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My dear Overscan,
yes those books have a great projects of bombers,such as Tu-108 intercontinental
bomber based on Tu-22 and Tu-109 intercontinental supersonic bomber,
but there is also a little known projects:Mig-10 transport aircraft,Mig-121
19-passenger transport aircraft,Mig-210 supersonic airliner and Mig-2000
canard delta wing advance fighter of 1980s.
and anther aircraft I cann't identify them; the Ilyushin IL-74 and IL-300.
yes those books have a great projects of bombers,such as Tu-108 intercontinental
bomber based on Tu-22 and Tu-109 intercontinental supersonic bomber,
but there is also a little known projects:Mig-10 transport aircraft,Mig-121
19-passenger transport aircraft,Mig-210 supersonic airliner and Mig-2000
canard delta wing advance fighter of 1980s.
and anther aircraft I cann't identify them; the Ilyushin IL-74 and IL-300.
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overscan said:
To add is a project with non-confirmed designation '489' (i.e. it was but Rigmant could not dig it). Two versions of Tu-200 legend inspiration exist, one is leak of 485/487/489 projects info to the West (meanwhile, very limited circles had access to those studies), second is planned leak to let US think that Soviet Union's big sticks are here to come to cool some heads in Washington. Here is 485 and 489 illustrations, plus two fantasy pics from western sources.
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Hesham, do you have some additional info about Tu-100? It sounds interesting.
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I'm sorry for my delay but I spent the weekend out 
Here's the info:
Sources:
1.Airfleet magazine, article from Vladimir Rigmant (can't identify the issue, the tittle is: Predecesors of the famous Blackjack).
2.Soviet Secret Projects Bombers since 1945. Buttler/Gordon
As flateric told, there are many configurations for parasite aircraft 100 but also for its carrier aicraft 108 and 109.
On 30th July 1954, the Tupolev design bureau was authorised to develop and build a strategic supersonic combined strike aircraft system. The same directive stipulated that Myasishchev to design a similar system (it seems that they research toke them to the M-50 and M-52 bombers). Official designation was "Combined Long-Range Bomber". It was to comprise the 108 carrier powered by 6 VD-5M and 100 bomber with 2 AM-11M. Expected range for the "combined" was 14000 Km. After release (well outside enemy defences) and attack, both aircraft could return to base.
Several versions for 108 aircraft were considered including one deltawinged with 4 P-8 turboprop engines and one with ramjets.
A bomber version of 108 was also considered (Initial deliveries were considered possible by 1957) while an alternative carriers for the 100 could have been the Tu-95 or Tu-96.
The 108 version powered with 4 NK-6 was choosen to go ahead in March 1956 with testing phase rescheduled for 1959. The final configuration was to be developed by Valentin Bliznyuk. Aircraft 100 manned and unmanned versions would be considered and its deffinitive powerplant was to the D-20 turbofan
The project was cancelled in 1958 with the advent of the ICBM era.
Tupolev 100 tech data
Span: 12,5 m
Lenght: 23,7 m
Max weight: 31 000 Kg
Max speed: 1500 Km/h
Bomb load: 1250 Kg
Here's the info:
Sources:
1.Airfleet magazine, article from Vladimir Rigmant (can't identify the issue, the tittle is: Predecesors of the famous Blackjack).
2.Soviet Secret Projects Bombers since 1945. Buttler/Gordon
As flateric told, there are many configurations for parasite aircraft 100 but also for its carrier aicraft 108 and 109.
On 30th July 1954, the Tupolev design bureau was authorised to develop and build a strategic supersonic combined strike aircraft system. The same directive stipulated that Myasishchev to design a similar system (it seems that they research toke them to the M-50 and M-52 bombers). Official designation was "Combined Long-Range Bomber". It was to comprise the 108 carrier powered by 6 VD-5M and 100 bomber with 2 AM-11M. Expected range for the "combined" was 14000 Km. After release (well outside enemy defences) and attack, both aircraft could return to base.
Several versions for 108 aircraft were considered including one deltawinged with 4 P-8 turboprop engines and one with ramjets.
A bomber version of 108 was also considered (Initial deliveries were considered possible by 1957) while an alternative carriers for the 100 could have been the Tu-95 or Tu-96.
The 108 version powered with 4 NK-6 was choosen to go ahead in March 1956 with testing phase rescheduled for 1959. The final configuration was to be developed by Valentin Bliznyuk. Aircraft 100 manned and unmanned versions would be considered and its deffinitive powerplant was to the D-20 turbofan
The project was cancelled in 1958 with the advent of the ICBM era.
Tupolev 100 tech data
Span: 12,5 m
Lenght: 23,7 m
Max weight: 31 000 Kg
Max speed: 1500 Km/h
Bomb load: 1250 Kg
hesham said:
According to "OKB Tupolev" by Gordon and Rigmant, Aircraft 72 and the Tu-18 are the same aircraft. "Tu-18 2 Nene-1" was the official designation of the 72 project, which was a jet version of Tupolev's Aircraft 69 (Tu-8). The 72/Tu-18 was abandoned at the design stage in favour of Aircraft 73, which ultimately became the Tu-14.
I can't scan just now but, if you're interested, an old Russian 3-view and cutaway profile of the 72 is included at page 133 of Bill Gunston's Putnam book, "Tupolev Aircraft since 1922".
hesham said:
According to Gordon & Rigmant in "OKB Tupolev", the official designation "Tu-30 4 Nene-1" was applied to Tupolev's 1947 project 77. This was to have been a high altitude, high speed bomber and reconnaissance aircraft. It was to have been powered by four RR Nene engines and resembled a long span Tu-14 with engines mounted in a similar style to the American B-45 Tornado. The project never proceeded beyond the proposal stage.
However, a note of caution - Bill Gunston's Putnam book on Tupolev Aircraft (and every other source that I can find) allocates the project number 77 to the Tu-12 jet development of the Tu-2 and doesn't mention the four Nene project or the Tu-30 at all.
I have not come across any drawings of the supposed Tu-30, but there is a photograph of a wooden model on page 130 of "OKB Tupolev" which I don't think that I can scan in as it's from a currently available book.
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Hmmm- I should point out that Mr Rigmant is the Tupolev archivist with complete access to OKB files, while Bill Gunston isn't. So in case of a dispute I'd go with Gordon & Rigmant.
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Thanks - I should have know that, as Bill Gunston specifically refers to Vladimir Rigmant as the "former OKB archivist" in his introduction and thanks him for making available a "wealth of original material".
And I've just looked at the "OKB Tupolev" book again and I see that the photo of the 77/Tu-30 model is credited to "Tupolev PLC", so I think that I'd agree that Gordon & Rigmant are probably correct in their attribution of designations and their information on the Tu-30.
Tu-80
Considered as deep modernization of Tu-4 (only one plane was built).
Year: 1948
Engine: ASh-73 TKFN
Span: 43.58 m
Lenght: 34.32 m
Height: 8.91 m
Max speed: 598 km/h
Cruise: 458 km/h
Range: 7000-8000 km (calculated)
MTOW: 65400 kg
Armament: 10x23 mm
Bombs: 3000 (max 9000)
Crew: 11
Considered as deep modernization of Tu-4 (only one plane was built).
Year: 1948
Engine: ASh-73 TKFN
Span: 43.58 m
Lenght: 34.32 m
Height: 8.91 m
Max speed: 598 km/h
Cruise: 458 km/h
Range: 7000-8000 km (calculated)
MTOW: 65400 kg
Armament: 10x23 mm
Bombs: 3000 (max 9000)
Crew: 11
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Tu-85
Developed Tu-80, appreciably bigger by size/weight/power. The last Russian big bomber with piston engine & straight (rectengular tapered) wings. Stated as "improved to possible excellence".
Year: 1950-1953
Engine: ASh-2K (VD-4k, TVD-022b)
Span: 55.939 m
Lenght: 39.31 m
Height: 10.58 m
Max speed: 585 km/h
Cruise: 460 km/h
Range: 12000 km
MTOW: 107225
Armament: 5x2x23 mm
Bombs: 2x FAB 9000 kg
Crew: 11
Developed Tu-80, appreciably bigger by size/weight/power. The last Russian big bomber with piston engine & straight (rectengular tapered) wings. Stated as "improved to possible excellence".
Year: 1950-1953
Engine: ASh-2K (VD-4k, TVD-022b)
Span: 55.939 m
Lenght: 39.31 m
Height: 10.58 m
Max speed: 585 km/h
Cruise: 460 km/h
Range: 12000 km
MTOW: 107225
Armament: 5x2x23 mm
Bombs: 2x FAB 9000 kg
Crew: 11
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Tu-504 - specially for Farloccus (I apologize for long delay)
Based on "85", developed strategic heavy bomber. As hydro-airplane, it was planned to be refueled from submarine, in order to reach USA coast and get back.
Year: 1950-1953
Engine: ASh-2K (TVD-1)
Span: 56 m
Lenght: 44 m
Height: 12 m
Max speed: 580 km/h
Cruise -
Range: 10000 km
MTOW: 104000 kg
Armament: 3x2x23 mm
Bombs: 1x 6000 kg
Crew: 12
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Sources for "80", "85", "504":
V. Rigmant, "Last Prop Bombers"
B. Gunston "Russian Aircraft 1875-1995
"Nevski Bastion" bulletin, Vol.5
G. Petrov "Hydro-airplanes & Ekranoplanes of Russia, 1910-1994"
Based on "85", developed strategic heavy bomber. As hydro-airplane, it was planned to be refueled from submarine, in order to reach USA coast and get back.
Year: 1950-1953
Engine: ASh-2K (TVD-1)
Span: 56 m
Lenght: 44 m
Height: 12 m
Max speed: 580 km/h
Cruise -
Range: 10000 km
MTOW: 104000 kg
Armament: 3x2x23 mm
Bombs: 1x 6000 kg
Crew: 12
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Sources for "80", "85", "504":
V. Rigmant, "Last Prop Bombers"
B. Gunston "Russian Aircraft 1875-1995
"Nevski Bastion" bulletin, Vol.5
G. Petrov "Hydro-airplanes & Ekranoplanes of Russia, 1910-1994"
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WOW! That flying boat is a new one to me! I have always been impressed by the evolutionary development that Tupolev did from the Tu-4 to the Tu-95.
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The Tu-504 flying boat bomber is principally very similar to the Myasischtschew 3M-M,
the fkying boat derivative of the Bison. And for both I think, they would have had no
chance to be competitive as a combat aircraft !
the fkying boat derivative of the Bison. And for both I think, they would have had no
chance to be competitive as a combat aircraft !
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"I hardly can say that -504 and 3M-M has many common in their design."
You're right of course, they have different powerplants and apart from several bolts
and nuts you probabably wouldn't have found identical components, but ...
both were derivatives from landbased aircraft, designed in the same way, by deepening
the fuselage in quite an extreme way, as both basic aircraft had very slim fuselages,
and fitting them with a convenional flying boat planing bottom. There were few landbased
variants of flyingboats planned (e.g. of the Saro Princess), but for the other way round,
there are even fewer examples, The only other I can remember, was the Convair design
for a flying boat derivative of the Comet .But that was an aerodynamically surprisingly
clean design, something I really cannot say of the Tu-504 and the 3M-M.
But ok, to compare a heavy prop bomber and a jet bomber may have meant over stretching
ones phantasy, although both were designed as combat aircraft, with the same simple and
probably unrealistic idea in mind.
You're right of course, they have different powerplants and apart from several bolts
and nuts you probabably wouldn't have found identical components, but ...
both were derivatives from landbased aircraft, designed in the same way, by deepening
the fuselage in quite an extreme way, as both basic aircraft had very slim fuselages,
and fitting them with a convenional flying boat planing bottom. There were few landbased
variants of flyingboats planned (e.g. of the Saro Princess), but for the other way round,
there are even fewer examples, The only other I can remember, was the Convair design
for a flying boat derivative of the Comet .But that was an aerodynamically surprisingly
clean design, something I really cannot say of the Tu-504 and the 3M-M.
But ok, to compare a heavy prop bomber and a jet bomber may have meant over stretching
ones phantasy, although both were designed as combat aircraft, with the same simple and
probably unrealistic idea in mind.
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The Tu-72 looks like it was heavely influenced by the B-25 Mitchell.In some views,it looks just like a jet powered B-25.Russia did by large numbers of them,so modification of the basic design would have been a good way to get a new aircraft and possibly improve on the design itself.They did the same with the B-29 in the form of the basic Tu-4 Bull ,which was identical, then the modified and improved Tu-85 Barge,and ultimently the Tu-95 Bear.
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