Michel Van said:
carmelo said:
Well, the real projects are very interestings,but maybe a bit too much ambitious.
I dont'speak about a British moon landing or an UK Spaceplane,but a "simple" manned capsule like Mercury,Vostok or Gemini, in a program comparable at the actual Chinese program .
We said an suborbital flight in 1961,three or four orbital between 1962-1965,a two men block-II in 1966-68,EVA experiment in the same period,an little station like Salyut-1 (or more small) in 1970.
Was possible technically for UK Industries realize this goals,and a joint effort UK/Canada/Australia could reach necessary budget?
And again for reduce costs,the launchers could be built in Australia?
Launcher build in Australia cheaper, No
The de Havilland Division of Hawker Siddeley Aviation
has to move the production site and the workers to Australia.
that cost far more money as simple transport of a Blue Streak to Woomera or Kenya
the Manned Lunar landing proposal by P. A. E. Stewart
Blue Streak , second stage HTP/Rp-1 with 4x stenton engine
and Mercury type capsule for manned flights.
this Mercury becomes later a Mercury Mark II aka Gemini space craft on
Blue Streak , second stage LOX/Lh2 with 4x RZ20 engine.
info on RZ20 engine
http://www.spaceuk.org/hydrogen/rr.htm
http://www.spaceuk.org/index.htm
Hi
Facts, not speculation or fiction, the UK British Empire, Commonwealth of Nations had a formal Military Manned Space Programme up until June/July 1960 when it was cancelled.
In many areas it was already the leading contender despite the Politics.
The first phase infrastructure for a sustained programme was already for the most part complete paid for and in place.
The Joint Special Project covered this phase.
For example the Spadeadam and Woomera Air Liquefaction Plants were both each designed and constructed to produce at full capacity 33,000 tons of LOX annually. A total of 66,000 ton capacity of LOX each year from those two plants alone.
Note the Blue Streak missile round used about 64 ton of LOX. per flight. Initially based on American experience 300 ton was allowed for each flight to meet the worst case scenario, but a lot less needed with experience.
Stevenage assembly line one already in production was to meet an original MoS requirement. for fifty unit capacity per year of the RZ12/ RZ14 powered Military SLV or RZ13 Missile variant.
The Spadeadam Captive Stands could take up to according to Val Cleaver 1,000,000 lbf thrust SLV and the Woomera ones at least that amount even when the engines were being gimballed upto about 7degrees?
The Dual purpose mobile towers, gantries could take the sixteen foot diameter SLV and could have platform stages added for extra height to cope with additional SLV upper stages.
Optimistically the Military Space plane was to be in service by 1965 and several UK companies had already but forward proposals for return craft..
The Spacestation was to have been of modular construction, largest component with a mass of about twenty Imperial tons.
Twenty-five, five crew ferry flights for each orbital station.
Normalair, Windak, Frankenstein, and Siebe Gorman had already produced space suits that at a latter date influenced the Design of the Apollo Moon Suit.
1959 RAE Farnborough temperature stabilisation inner suit, concept was used since both by the Americans and Russians. and maybe the Chinese?
G Pardoe stated that it would only take annually an additional sum equivalent to what UK children spent on November the Fifth fireworks for the UK Commonwealth to have a fully fledged ongoing Space programme.
Several UK companies were designing had designed satellites by the time of the summer 1960 cancellation including communication and reconnaissance satellites. According to British engineers who worked on Apollo the UK work was at least the equal of American work at the time.
The Australian taxpayers made a substantial contribution in addition to that of UK taxpayer for the programme. The annual cost for the UK Farming egg subsidy was more than 50% greater than the total spent on the programme for a similar time period.
If the then rate of UK spending had been increased to level of that spent on the farming egg subsidy for the next ten years the Americans could have been greeted by some one with an Australian or Kenyan accent when they eventually reached the Moon during the 1970’s.
