Boeing Skyfox- New School T-33

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Nice timing Moonbat, there's a thread on WIX of the Skyfox at its present resting place sans engine:

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=31150

I have the AvWeek article on the Skyfox which was rather all inclusive - will look around and see if I can uncover it and scan it.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 
wow! I would have never guessed there was a T-33 underneath that :eek:
I'm assuming this was for JPATS?
 
http://airwolf.org.tv-series.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=45994&TOPIC_ID=7075&FORUM_ID=1

this thread has some info and a pic of Skyfox wearing "US AIR FORCE" markings


I looked and this program was a little before JPATS.

Id love to see a 3-view of this.
 
Only a scan from quite a bad copy, sorry, but certainly someone else has the
issue (1984) in his bookshelf. The prototype was modified from a T-bird and first
flown on 10th May 1983, ordered by Skyfox Corporation, production was planned
to take place at OGMA in Portugal. The aircraft was seen as an economical alternative
to a completely new type, so no connection to JPATS, I think.
(from Green "Aircraft of the world")
 

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I have the chapter of "Airwolf" where this plane appears. If my old CRT no dies (is in the last ones :-[ ) I try to post some screenshots.

This ones are from the book "Shootings Stars-Lockheed's Legendary T-Birds" by Michael O'Leary.
 

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IIRC, it was developed as a project for Third World countries already operating T-33s to upgrade them. I don't think there was any country in particular, just aimed at extending the T-33's life. As drastic as the mods appear, I think it still used about 75% of the airframe. The engines & nacelles were straight off a Falcon 10 or 20, I don't remember which.



XP67_Moonbat said:
http://airwolf.org.tv-series.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=45994&TOPIC_ID=7075&FORUM_ID=1

this thread has some info and a pic of Skyfox wearing "US AIR FORCE" markings


I looked and this program was a little before JPATS.

Id love to see a 3-view of this.
 
Screen captures of the chapter of "Airwolf" (3rd, 1st Temp).
 

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Ok, the last ones...
 

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Ya know...I'm looking at the forward fuselage and i see a chine vaguely reminiscent of the SR-71 or YF-23. Hmmmm
 
Looking at the last few photos and forward visibility over the nose doesn't look that good.
 
Based on the mods to the nose, I wouldn't think the vis would be much different from a stock T-33.


dragon72 said:
Looking at the last few photos and forward visibility over the nose doesn't look that good.
 
frank said:
The engines & nacelles were straight off a Falcon 10 or 20, I don't remember which.

As far as engines go at least, it would be both as they both use TFE-773s, the same variant even I think. Or at least that's what Wikipedia tells me :p

As for the forward fuselage "chimes," I think that's mostly a consequence of fairing over the old engine intakes. I imagine that space goes for fuel.
 
Just call me Ray said:
As for the forward fuselage "chimes," I think that's mostly a consequence of fairing over the old engine intakes. I imagine that space goes for fuel.

Yes, the old intake trunks became fuel tanks. BTW, the replaced engine on the prototype was, of course, a RR Nene. ;D
 
frank said:
IIRC, it was developed as a project for Third World countries already operating T-33s to upgrade them. I don't think there was any country in particular, just aimed at extending the T-33's life. As drastic as the mods appear, I think it still used about 75% of the airframe. The engines & nacelles were straight off a Falcon 10 or 20, I don't remember which.



XP67_Moonbat said:
http://airwolf.org.tv-series.com/forum/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=45994&TOPIC_ID=7075&FORUM_ID=1

this thread has some info and a pic of Skyfox wearing "US AIR FORCE" markings


I looked and this program was a little before JPATS.

Id love to see a 3-view of this.

Falcon 10. It uses the same TFE731 engines and Grumman-built nacelles.
 
I always hoped this project would go forward instead of sadly ending up in a hulk on the tarmac somewhere. Someone deserves top marks for a very clever idea.
 
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Nice RAP - thanks. I acquired some pics of the aircraft off of EPay some time back - must get those scanned and posted.

I may be in Medford, OR next Summer and looked at Google Earth but did not see the Skyfax on the ramp - it may finally have been scrapped. Bummer....

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 
Great news about the Skyfox. The sole prototype was restored and put on display at Palm Springs Air Museum in CA just last year.

 
The engine nacelles look smaller than the originals - the intake certainly is of smaller diameter.

I suspect the original engine nacelles could not be found.
 
The following might be of interest.

That rather interesting aspect of the T-33 saga began during the 1970s. It was indeed at that time that a (retired?) American test pilot, Russell Patrick O’Quinn, came to the conclusion that a versatile and relatively inexpensive combat aircraft could be of interest to the air forces of developing countries, and even to the USAF. Aware of the fact that the T-33 was a machine which was both obsolete and available in large numbers (1 000 to 1 500 in more or less in flying condition?), O’Quinn conceived the idea of developing a modernised version of said machine.

Drawing on that idea, O’Quinn contacted the Italian government and / or the Italian air force but the parties failed to come to an agreement. He then contacted American aircraft manufacturers, including Lockheed Aircraft, but they were unable, or unwilling, to help him financially.

In 1981, O’Quinn met an American geologist and businessman involved in a few light / private aircraft modification projects during the 1970s. Gilman A. Hill agreed to invest in O’Quinn’s project. Together they founded Flight Concepts Limited Partnership, an entity in which the duo was both sponsoree and sponsorer. In 1982, O’Quinn began creating a team of retired Lockheed Aircraft engineers familiar with the T-33. Said team then began the development of a highly modernised twin-engine version of the aircraft.

Flight Concepts Limited Partnership might, I repeat might, have become Flight Concepts in 1982, but the firm apparently changed its name to Skyfox no later than 1984.

A prototype of the Flight Concepts / Skyfox Skyfox flew in August 1983. The firm behind it made a point of trumpeting that the performance of that machine was comparable to that of modern training aircraft while costing half as much. It could also perform ground attack missions.

The Skyfox prototype was apparently a Canadian-made Canadair T-33 Silver Star.

In 1983, Flight Concepts / Skyfox received a letter of intent from a Portuguese state agency, Oficinas Gerais de Material Aeronáutico (OGMA), concerning the conversion of 20 T-33s that the Força Aérea Portuguesa (FAP) was considering having carried out.

The catch was that no one else came knocking on Skyfox’s door, and this even though the aircraft attracted quite a lot of attention at airshows. Indeed, the Skyfox was central to the plot of an episode of the first season (1984) of the American action military drama television series Airwolf. The crew of a high-tech military helicopter, the Airwolf of the title, obviously managed to prevent an American Vietnam War pilot from stealing a high-tech American military prototype to give it to the USSR, and this in order to save the son he had fathered during his stay in South Vietnam.

The difficulties of Skyfox, the corporation, and its Skyfox aircraft did not put an end to the project, however. The military subsidiary of the American aerospace giant Boeing began to take an interest in the latter in 1985. Indeed, Boeing Military Airplane (BMA) acquired the exclusive production rights even before the end of the year. The firm believed that customers should be given the option to buy conversion kits they could use to convert T-33s into Skyfoxes on their own soil, or to have BMA take care of that work. The problem was that no one came knocking on the door of BMA. Even the FAP and OGMA decided not to engage further.

BMA withdrew from the project in 1988, much to the chagrin of Skyfox’s management, which sued its former partner, alleging that the latter had neither invested the promised sums nor seriously tried to find customers. The outcome of that lawsuit was a victory for BMA.

Despite everything, Skyfox’s management still hoped to find another partner in 1991. Indeed, it stated that the Air Command of the Canadian Forces had shown, or might still be showing, some interest, if not a real interest. In past years, the same might, I repeat might, have been true of the South Korean and / or Greek air forces.

In the end, Skyfox’s hopes and efforts led nowhere.
 
As for the forward fuselage "chimes," I think that's mostly a consequence of fairing over the old engine intakes. I imagine that space goes for fuel.

Yes internal fuel for the Skyfox was 3190 litres versus, for example, 1700 litres for a BAe Hawk.

Absolutely huge range as a result, over 2000nm on internal fuel alone. Long-endurance CAS or ISTAR maybe?
 
The engine nacelles look smaller than the originals - the intake certainly is of smaller diameter.

I suspect the original engine nacelles could not be found.
I would guess the engines were sold off to someone who operated bizjets.
 
The engine nacelles look smaller than the originals - the intake certainly is of smaller diameter.

I suspect the original engine nacelles could not be found.
Wow! Good eye. Skyfox engines were TFE-731s. These nacelles look somewhat like CJ610 units off of a Jet Commander or a Lear 20-series jet.
 
This stuff cropped up with first and second generation jet fighters. Designers weren't familiar with the stresses involved yet and they tended to be overbuilt. You simply could not wear the airframe out, and it seemed wasteful to just scrap them. I recall a F-86 project along these lines, that did not get off the paper. Maybe a F-84F also. There was also a bizjet based on the Vampire that made it to prototype. The same situation cropped up with first gen stressed skin aircraft. They ended up overbuilt. Thus you have the Basler BT=67 turboprop lengthened DC-3 that achieved some success.
 
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