North American Aviation NA/NR series...

devi · 29 August 2006

As we know: Fokker Atlantic----General Aviation------North American Aviation....

General Aviation(ex-Fokker) GA-15-----NA-15
General Aviation(ex-Fokker) GA-16-----NA-16

NA-15---------XO-47,observation aircraft
NA-16---------trainer aircraft
NA-17--------- ?
NA-18---------trainer aircraft
NA-19---------basic trainer BT-9,BT-9A
NA-20---------NA-16-2H
NA-21---------high altitude,twin engine bomber---XB-21
NA-22---------BT-9...
NA-23--------BT-9B
NA-24-------- ?
NA-25--------0-47A
NA-26--------BT-9D, BC-1(?)
NA-27--------NA-16-2H
NA-28--------NJ-1
NA-29--------BT-9C,Y1BT-10
NA-30--------Y1BT-10
NA-31--------NA-16-2H or NA-16-4M (?)
NA-32--------NA-16-1A, 1 to Australia
NA-33--------NA-16-2K, 1 to Australia
NA-34--------NA-16-4P, 30 to Argentina
NA-35--------Vega 35
NA-36--------BC-1A
NA-37--------NA-16-4R, 1 To Japan
NA-38--------NA-16-4M, 2 to Sweden
NA-39--------XB-21
NA-40--------pre-B-25 "Mitchell"

Skybolt · 29 August 2006

Ok, Devi, I have the complete NA- series. Do you want I post it? It's long since NAA used project nummerber to denote batch of work, not only "projects" strictly speaking (i.e. a different NA number was assigned to diffeerent batch of series production of the same aircraft)

devi · 30 August 2006

Hi Skybolt.

Well, I wait with the great pleasure.

devi · 2 September 2006

NA-41--------NA-16-4 or NA-16-4C, same as BT-9C, 35 to China
NA-42--------NA-16-2A, same as BT-9C, 2 to Honduras
NA-43--------NA-16-1G, for Brazil (project)
NA-44--------attack/fighter version of BC-1A
NA-45--------NA-16-1GV, same as BC-1, 3 to Venezuela
NA-46--------NA-16-4, same as BT-9C, 12 to Brazilian Navy
NA-47--------NA-16-4RW, same as BT-9, 1 to Japan, KX2A (or KXA2)
NA-48--------NA-16-3C, same as BC-1
NA-49--------NA-16-1E, same as BC-1, 400 to RAF as Harvard Mk.I
NA-50--------fighter, single seat
NA-51--------O-47A
NA-52--------SNJ-1, USN version of BC-1
NA-53--------NA-16-5
NA-54-------- version of BC-1 or BC-2
NA-55--------BC-1A, AT-6
NA-56--------NA-16-4, same as BC-1, but fixed gear, 50 to China
NA-57--------similar to BT-9B, 200 to French L' Armee De L'Air and 30 to de Aeronavale
NA-58--------BT-14
NA-59--------AT-6
NA-60--------O-47A(s/n 38-325, conversion with deeper observer's station)
NA-61--------NA-16-1E, same as BC-1, 30 to RCAF as Harvard Mk.I, ( 3 to Venezuela )(?)
NA-62--------B-25 Mitchell
NA-63--------XB-28
NA-64--------BT-14, 230 NA-64's were ordered by the French L'Armee De L'Air in 1939
NA-65--------SNJ-2
NA-66-------- Harvard Mk.II
NA-67--------XB-28A
NA-68--------P-64
NA-69--------A-27
NA-70--------single engine, two seat, trainer, production version of the NA-35(Vega 35)
(proposal).

Skybolt · 3 September 2006

First batch of the NAA projects list, from NA-159 to the end of the NA-XXX numeration.

Two notes:

First for Devi, note that a couple of dozen of NA numbers were used to designate missiles and space projects

Second for everyone: what WAS the NA-237 ? ??? FBX - Development of USAF Fighter Bomber system.... Any idea of an FBX specification, timeframe 1957-58 ?

Tomorrow second batch

Source Kevin Thompson North American Aircraft 1934-1999 Vol 2 Narkiewichs/Thompson, Highly recommended etc etc etc

elmayerle · 3 September 2006

I'm not certain, but I suspect NA-382 may have been a much-modified Hercules to use the same lift system as the XFV-12A. I remember seeing it mentioned in the mid-1970s in Av Week.

Skybolt · 4 September 2006

So it must have been a joint NAA-Lockeed project. For the Marines, I suppose.

Antonio · 4 September 2006

Dear Evan and Skybolt, please look at this

:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=103.0

Still too awesome projects are mentioned by Alexis Rocher in Le Fana:

North American NA-382: A VSTOL Hercules Replacement with 4 GE F101

North American NA-431: A VSTOL S-3 Viking replacement

Skybolt · 4 September 2006

This board is becoming rapidly BIG (great has been from the start ;D ) . Probably we have to find a way to categorise in some way the posts. Don't know if the forum sw is able to do this 8)

devi · 4 September 2006

Hi Skybolt.

Many thanks for the information of North American Aviation...

If it is possible please show us from NA-15 and up to NA-158,
I shall be will check up my information and I shall write shortly and clearly.

As I know, firm North American and firm Lockheed together participated in competition QSTOL and AMST (YC-14, YC-15).

Skybolt · 4 September 2006

This night I'll complete the list. Be patient, :

Skybolt · 4 September 2006

NAA series continued

Skybolt · 4 September 2006

and finished

hesham · 19 July 2009

By the way,

the NA-380 was Sabreliner 75A,it was developed from 75 with
G.E. CF700-102 turbofans and strengthened tail and engine
mountings,also NA-465 was Sabreliner 65,it was developed
from 60 with new super-critical wing and Garrett TFE-731-3
turbofans.

Fishbed · 20 December 2010

Hallo,
die Scans von der NA/NR-Serie sind nicht schlecht, leider kann man nichts lesen.
Könnte man diese in einer bessern Variante bekommen.

Ich würde mich sehr freuen.

Fishbed · 20 December 2010

Hello,
the Scans from NA/ NR. series are not bad, unfortunately, one can read nothing.
If one could improve this in one get variation.

I would be glad very much.

Antheii · 22 September 2011

Fishbed said:
Hello,
the Scans from NA/ NR. series are not bad, unfortunately, one can read nothing.
If one could improve this in one get variation.

I would be glad very much.

Dear Fishbed,

After you clicked on on the image, in the lower right corner you will find some crossed arrows (see below): when you click on it, the image will expand to real size, after which it is perfectly readable.

Steve Pace · 2 January 2013

I have just acquired an official NAA document showing engineering hours associated with NAA aircraft. In it I discovered that NA-136 was to be an unknown number of TP-51 airplanes but they were cancelled. -SP

Stargazer · 2 January 2013

Steve Pace said:
I have just acquired an official NAA document showing engineering hours associated with NAA aircraft. In it I discovered that NA-136 was to be an unknown number of TP-51 airplanes but they were cancelled. -SP

Fantastic! Too bad we no longer have a free slot for the early straight wing XP-86... Never got an NA- designator I guess.

Now if you could find us the NA-80 and NA-86... :

Steve Pace · 2 January 2013

NA-80 simply says proposal starting Sept. 1940 that was cancelled.
NA-86 was for a number of AT-6C RAF airplanes that was cancelled; start date Dec. 1940.

Stargazer · 2 January 2013

Steve Pace said:
NA-80 simply says proposal starting Sept. 1940 that was cancelled.
NA-86 was for a number of AT-6C RAF airplanes that was cancelled; start date Dec. 1940.

Awesome. So now we have NA-16 to NA-354 figured out.

NA-355 and NA-368 still missing for me.
NA-408 to NA-419, NA-421 to NA-423, NA-425 to NA-429 also missing.
Existence of any designation beyond NA-431 (a "Type A" V/STOL proposal) is unknown to me except for "NA-465" (an apparently out-of-sequence charge number for the NA-265-65).

Steve Pace · 2 January 2013

The list I have goes only to NA-194 - sorry. -SP

Tailspin Turtle · 2 January 2013

Steve Pace said:
I have just acquired an official NAA document showing engineering hours associated with NAA aircraft. In it I discovered that NA-136 was to be an unknown number of TP-51 airplanes but they were cancelled. -SP

I don't know where I got this, much less whether it is correct.

Stargazer · 2 January 2013

Tailspin Turtle said:
I don't know where I got this, much less whether it is correct.

At the time when the "NA-136" designation was unaccounted for, several people on this forum (me included) suggested that given the date and design progression, it was the perfect candidate for the straight-wing XP-86 proposal (being ideally placed between the NA-134 Fury prototypes and the NA-140 Sabre prototypes). To that purpose, I posted the above picture labeled "NA-136." Unfortunately this scheme has proved wrong, for which I deeply apologize. I will correct said topic accordingly.

Steve Pace · 3 January 2013

Here's a scan of document page showing NA-136 as TP-51. -SP

MarkN · 3 January 2013

Hi

Are you able to post a full version of this page and the one for NA-95?

Can you provide any more details about the document (name/source) etc?

thanks

Mark

Stargazer · 3 January 2013

Brilliant! Thanks a lot for sharing.

Steve Pace · 3 January 2013

Stargazer2006 said:
Brilliant! Thanks a lot for sharing.

You're more than welcome - more to follow. -SP

Steve Pace · 5 January 2013

Here's page 1 and 2 of 6.

Steve Pace · 5 January 2013

Here's 3 and 4 of six.

Steve Pace · 5 January 2013

5 and 6 of 6. -SP

Steve Pace · 5 January 2013

MarkN said:
Hi

Are you able to post a full version of this page and the one for NA-95?

Can you provide any more details about the document (name/source) etc?

thanks This document was sent to me years ago by Chris Wamsley of North American Rockwell public affairs - I recently found it. -SP

Mark

Steve Pace · 5 January 2013

Here's the other halves - pages 1 and 2 of six.

Steve Pace · 5 January 2013

Here's the rest. -SP

MarkN · 5 January 2013

Great information!!

thank you for posting this

Mark

asiscan · 11 June 2020

Not sure about the XB-70 and the charge number designation. I have found 3 different NA numbers for the Valkyrie so far. 1st dated Dec 1959 specifies "non-refuelled" as NA-239, one from Jun 1960 as NA-267, and Dec 1961 as the NA-278. I'm familiar with the last number but the others i don't know. Anyone know?

PLK · 15 July 2020

Antheii said:
Fishbed said:

Hello,
the Scans from NA/ NR. series are not bad, unfortunately, one can read nothing.
If one could improve this in one get variation.

I would be glad very much.

Click to expand...

Dear Fishbed,

After you clicked on on the image, in the lower right corner you will find some crossed arrows (see below): when you click on it, the image will expand to real size, after which it is perfectly readable.

sorry that funtion do not work

Pioneer · 29 May 2021

Sorry all, I know and appreciate that many forum members have put in some amazing time and effort into sharing NAA designations, but I'm wondering if anyone can tell me if the rocket-boosted interceptor derivative of the A-5 Vigilante - the 'Retaliator' (c-1959) for the USAF Air Defence Command had a specific 'NA-??? designation please?
Also, does anyone know what the principle armament of the 'Retaliator' was to be??

Regards
Pioneer

hesham · 11 August 2021

From, T-6 A Pictorial Record of the Harvard, Texan and Wirraway,

the T-6 variants.

acegeek9992 · 2 October 2022

Anyone have any information and/or images on the NA-400? I first saw it on the Wikipedia page for North American Aviation, which described it as a naval strike attack project for the US Navy.

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