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AeroFranz said:wow...not even the high quality of the cgi and testosterone-filled script can save this concept.
few questions:
- is 120 nmi the range for AMRAAM? that sounds really high, unless it's the ducted ramjet follow-up
- 20 AMRAAMS mounted externally in multiple carriage will generate on metric s**t-ton of drag. Why not use the internal rotary bay? It may not be a simple modification, but surely it's better than having the missiles out in the open.
-What's with the V-tail? do they really care about broadside RCS? looks more to me like it's there for the cool factor.
-Those B-1's 'd better NEVER get within 100nmi of any fighter, be it a refurbished MiG-21
thanks for sharing the video, it's definitely entertaining!
The "R" stands for "regional".Triton said:Well, if Boeing cannot sell a new bomber, it will try to make money by rebuilding an old one. I wonder if the R really means "Refurb" or "Retrofit". Is the B-1R meant to be a replacement for the F-111 Aardvark?
fightingirish said:The "R" stands for "regional".Triton said:Well, if Boeing cannot sell a new bomber, it will try to make money by rebuilding an old one. I wonder if the R really means "Refurb" or "Retrofit". Is the B-1R meant to be a replacement for the F-111 Aardvark?
Even the concept from bagera3005 has a V-Tail, how did we not noticed that item before?! :-[
Lauge said:fightingirish said:The "R" stands for "regional".Triton said:Well, if Boeing cannot sell a new bomber, it will try to make money by rebuilding an old one. I wonder if the R really means "Refurb" or "Retrofit". Is the B-1R meant to be a replacement for the F-111 Aardvark?
Even the concept from bagera3005 has a V-Tail, how did we not noticed that item before?! :-[
Is that a gun under the nose?? Love it! After all, a warplane without a gun is a lot like Paris Hilton: Nice to look at, but ultimately quite useless ;D
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Jemiba said:"Makes one wonder why they used "Flanker" as the opposition"
What else ?
Rafale ? Eurofighter ? The Mig 29 is generally regarded as inferior and
if "old" fighters, like Mig 21 would have been chosen, the reputation of
the Raptor could have been damaged !
At least the Flanker is part of the inventory (or at least could be), of those
nations, that can play the part of the "bad guy".
Maybe they should wear these markings : ;D
Remko said:Could work... But as said, internal rotary launchers, and a better long range stand-off or air-to-air missile should be better. How about loading them up with AIM-54's... B) B)
BTW, "Not stealthy B-1R"? I always thought the B-1 was designed with low-radar signature and other enhanced stealth capabilities in mind? The engine inlets and an extensive ECM suite specifically.
Speed Mach 2.2? Man... This is not a B-1B upgrade, this is the original B-1A!!
Archibald said:Entertaining video, has said above. A bit of propaganda in the process, too.
Looks like the ennemy (whatever it is!) is dumb. He send three dozens fighters, flying straight, at high height.
The pilots are no better! The guy know a bunch of AAMs are coming, and he just "shake" his fighter... one wing down, the other up, to the right... repeat the movement, to the left...
Jemiba said:"Makes one wonder why they used "Flanker" as the opposition"
What else ?
Rafale ? Eurofighter ? The Mig 29 is generally regarded as inferior and
if "old" fighters, like Mig 21 would have been chosen, the reputation of
the Raptor could have been damaged !
At least the Flanker is part of the inventory (or at least could be), of those
nations, that can play the part of the "bad guy".
Maybe they should wear these markings : ;D
I guess it's the very last episode of the series for a reason.
Just call me Ray said:Archibald said:Entertaining video, has said above. A bit of propaganda in the process, too.
Looks like the ennemy (whatever it is!) is dumb. He send three dozens fighters, flying straight, at high height.
The pilots are no better! The guy know a bunch of AAMs are coming, and he just "shake" his fighter... one wing down, the other up, to the right... repeat the movement, to the left...
Jemiba said:"Makes one wonder why they used "Flanker" as the opposition"
What else ?
Rafale ? Eurofighter ? The Mig 29 is generally regarded as inferior and
if "old" fighters, like Mig 21 would have been chosen, the reputation of
the Raptor could have been damaged !
At least the Flanker is part of the inventory (or at least could be), of those
nations, that can play the part of the "bad guy".
Maybe they should wear these markings : ;D
This is from "Dogfights of the Future," the last episode of the History Channel show "Dogfights!"
The enemy country is never named, but some people think it's Venezuela or Cuba due to how the scenario unfolds: Sometime early in the next decade, a U.S. passenger aircraft is forced to ditch nearby an enemy shore. A USCG helicopter (with obviously super-duper long-range tanks) is engaged by four Fulcrums (yes, four) and shot down, who are then splashed by a CAP of the four Raptors you see in the video (this is why there's references to the Raptor's "remaining AMRAAMS"). The enemy then sends a crapload of fighters to engage the Raptors, consisting of Su-30s and, yes, Rafales, supposedly chosen because these "widely exported 4.5-generation fighters" represent the most likely and most potent threat to the Raptor.
After the end of this clip, one of the B-1Rs is hit by an AA-12 but limps home, while the Raptors engage four remaining Rafales with AIM-9s. All of the Sukhios were shot down by the long-range, uh, whatever fancy word the narrator said. Which seems rather awfully convenient that the heavier, more advanced aircraft is taken out of the picture.
The scenario ends with the Raptors splashing the Rafales, including one Raptor performing a Cobra. Yes, they do this. It then jumps to the next scenario - I take it all of the passengers of the downed airliner and helicopter drown because they got boring at that point.
There are three other scenarios that are covered in the program, a joint USAF/RAF SEAD mission in a generic Middle Eastern country conducted solely by F-35s "dogfighting" against both MiG-35s and, in effect, SAMs; this scenario is pretty straightforward, though it does employ the use of magically stealthy externally-carried HARMs.
The third scenario involves yet another flight of F-22s, this time escorting a strike package of friendly Rafales. What country the Rafales are from is never stated, but it's stated that the scenario takes place in the South Pacific, so some people think they're supposed to be RNZAF. They're jumped by a flight of Su-30s, once again from an unnamed country but I guess who assume the Rafales are RNZAF automatically think they're supposed to be Malaysian or Indonesian. The Sukhios promptly splash all Rafales (some escort package : ) but the Sukhios are splashed by a 767. Yes, a Boeing 767. But I guess it helps when it's got a laser turret
The Raptors are then engaged by some Super-SAMs that literally pop out of nowhere and one of them is shot down, the rest engage Su-47s/S-37s, two are shot down, and the narrator mentions that an additional Sukhio and Raptor are splashed off-screen. Then the comm gear on the remaining Raptors goes out as it turns out all USAF space-borne assets had been destroyed by kinetic-kill interceptors.
Then...things get really weird in this last scenario. The USAF launches a space fighter - no, really - to shoot down an enemy space fighter. All they do is line up behind the guy and fire a laser and let the poor bastards burn up in the atmosphere. Really, it kinda sets it up as if whoever launches last wins.
I guess it's the very last episode of the series for a reason.
It's not. It's a passive suit that comprised mostly of the AN/ALR-94 passive reciever built by BAE (of course, the american branch of BAE giant). It is used to pick up radar signal from enemy target around the area (this thing has an extreme long range of detection) F-35 just takes it a step further with the DAS.KJ_Lesnick said:I didn't know the F-22 had DAS
funkychinaman said:I also had a lot of difficulty trying to determine which country A) could afford Rafales, B) is a country France would sell Rafales to, and C) yet be so antagonistic towards the US that it would fire on American planes without provocation.
funkychinaman said:I watched this entire episode when it came out. (History Channel HD is amazing.) I think the F-22s were escorting a strike package of Predator drones, if I recall. I also had a lot of difficulty trying to determine which country A) could afford Rafales, B) is a country France would sell Rafales to, and C) yet be so antagonistic towards the US that it would fire on American planes without provocation.
I liked the series, but this was a pretty weak way to end it. And even in HD, I can't help but notice that the Ace Combat series did a better job with the CGI.
Orionblamblam said:I dunno... could be "France."
Triton said:Orionblamblam said:I dunno... could be "France."
Possible. Not that I am advocating hostilities between the United States of American and the Republic of France. I would presume that they do play What if... scenarios. As the military says "We don't set policy."
funkychinaman said:I watched this entire episode when it came out. (History Channel HD is amazing.) I think the F-22s were escorting a strike package of Predator drones, if I recall.
I also had a lot of difficulty trying to determine which country A) could afford Rafales, B) is a country France would sell Rafales to, and C) yet be so antagonistic towards the US that it would fire on American planes without provocation.