Aircraft of the GDR
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in early replies in this topic,my dear Maveric sent a drawings to GDR
Models 153,154 & 155,but here is in a Germany site,anther drawings
to them with little differs,in cockpit or engines,what is the right or
that early designs ?;
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ar&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flugzeug-lorenz.de%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D104
in early replies in this topic,my dear Maveric sent a drawings to GDR
Models 153,154 & 155,but here is in a Germany site,anther drawings
to them with little differs,in cockpit or engines,what is the right or
that early designs ?;
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ar&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flugzeug-lorenz.de%2Findex.php%3Fid%3D104
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The designation "GDR 152" definitely is wrong, even "Baade 152" was just an unofficial one, used to honour
the chief designer. According to the book by Holger Lorenz (probably one of the best experts about this theme)
it was at first designated as "EW 15.2" or "EW 152" (EW for "Entwurf " = Design) and later "Flugzeug 152" or
simply "152"
the chief designer. According to the book by Holger Lorenz (probably one of the best experts about this theme)
it was at first designated as "EW 15.2" or "EW 152" (EW for "Entwurf " = Design) and later "Flugzeug 152" or
simply "152"
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"VEB" meant "Volkseigener Betrieb" (peoples own enterprise), so it's just a term for a form of an enterprise,
not a name or designation for a specific enterprise. As mentioned in Lorenz book, the production plant for
the 152/Flugzeug 152/"Baade 152" was part of the "VEB Maschinen- und Apparatebau Dresden" (machine
and device production plant) and there are drawings, the aircraft is designated "Dresden 152". Correct would
be "VEB Maschinen- und Apparatebau Dresden 152", but probably this would have been too cumbersome and
AFAIK, the aircraft production plant would have been indepent from the "mother company".
not a name or designation for a specific enterprise. As mentioned in Lorenz book, the production plant for
the 152/Flugzeug 152/"Baade 152" was part of the "VEB Maschinen- und Apparatebau Dresden" (machine
and device production plant) and there are drawings, the aircraft is designated "Dresden 152". Correct would
be "VEB Maschinen- und Apparatebau Dresden 152", but probably this would have been too cumbersome and
AFAIK, the aircraft production plant would have been indepent from the "mother company".
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From Aero, September 1958:
Two designs from the institute for aeronautical technology of the technical university Dresden,
lead by professor Landmann:
- A jet trainer for the GDR airforce with straight wing, using a NACA-651/412 airfoil, T-tail and
tandem seating. Predicted max. speed 750 km/h and an endurance of 1.5 to 2 hours.
This type is mentioned as Kaplick "Kerl" (chap), Kaplick probably the name of the chief designer.
- A single-seat glider tug, mentioned as Boenisch "Vogel" (bird) with fixed landing gear and V-tail,
powered by an inline engine and able to tow up to two gliders.
Both aren't from a dedicated aircraft company, so it's unclear, if they really count as "projects".
Two designs from the institute for aeronautical technology of the technical university Dresden,
lead by professor Landmann:
- A jet trainer for the GDR airforce with straight wing, using a NACA-651/412 airfoil, T-tail and
tandem seating. Predicted max. speed 750 km/h and an endurance of 1.5 to 2 hours.
This type is mentioned as Kaplick "Kerl" (chap), Kaplick probably the name of the chief designer.
- A single-seat glider tug, mentioned as Boenisch "Vogel" (bird) with fixed landing gear and V-tail,
powered by an inline engine and able to tow up to two gliders.
Both aren't from a dedicated aircraft company, so it's unclear, if they really count as "projects".
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As said above, both designs were drawn by university members, so I was unsure, if to place
them here, or in the "Theoretical and Speculative" section. But during that time, there were
no established aircraft manufacturers in the GDR, as we saw in the case of the "152" and no
dedicated design offices. The nearest equivalent may have been this institute and attempts to
start at least a limited production of aircraft may have started there.
them here, or in the "Theoretical and Speculative" section. But during that time, there were
no established aircraft manufacturers in the GDR, as we saw in the case of the "152" and no
dedicated design offices. The nearest equivalent may have been this institute and attempts to
start at least a limited production of aircraft may have started there.
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There is an article about the regional jet study "SP22" from East Germany (GDR) in the German magazine "Flugzeug Classic", August-September 2002 on the pages 62 & 63.
It looks very similar to the then later VFW 614 from West Germany (FRG).
A short summary and snapshots might follow soon.
It looks very similar to the then later VFW 614 from West Germany (FRG).
A short summary and snapshots might follow soon.
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Elbe Flugzeugwerke after the fall of the Wall, and in the present day:
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%203035.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%203036.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%203037.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Flugzeugwerke
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%203035.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%203036.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%203037.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbe_Flugzeugwerke
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Does anyone have anything on proposed military and/or intelligence gathering versions of the Lommatzsch Lom-61 Favorit glider?
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Source: Flugzeugtypen - Typenbuch der internationalen Luftfahrt by Karlheinz Kens, Carl Lange Verlag, Duisburg. Probably the 4th issue from 1963.
Nice book with some projects from the 1950s and 1960s.
Nice book with some projects from the 1950s and 1960s.
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Hi,
here is a some and more info about GDR aircraft :-
1- a profile view to the Types from 150 to 155.
2- model for Type 154.
3- Type 152.
4- the beginning list of GDR aircraft and projects,it started with V-1 up to 028,and
we know Lom-64 is the last of that series,but the Type series is anther one(need
translation).
5- landing gear.
6- plan of flight test of 1959.
7- a jet trainer projects,group was powered by Turbomeca Aspin,the Types SK-160,SK-167,
SK-170,SK-175 and SK-178,anther group was powered byTurbomeca Marbore,the Types
SK-161,SK-163,SK-164,SK-165,SK-166,SK-174 and SK-176,also the SK-177 fitted with no
engine,may be training glider,that's Google Translation.
8- the GDR types,from Type 150 up to 160,the type 151 is a mystery.
here is a some and more info about GDR aircraft :-
1- a profile view to the Types from 150 to 155.
2- model for Type 154.
3- Type 152.
4- the beginning list of GDR aircraft and projects,it started with V-1 up to 028,and
we know Lom-64 is the last of that series,but the Type series is anther one(need
translation).
5- landing gear.
6- plan of flight test of 1959.
7- a jet trainer projects,group was powered by Turbomeca Aspin,the Types SK-160,SK-167,
SK-170,SK-175 and SK-178,anther group was powered byTurbomeca Marbore,the Types
SK-161,SK-163,SK-164,SK-165,SK-166,SK-174 and SK-176,also the SK-177 fitted with no
engine,may be training glider,that's Google Translation.
8- the GDR types,from Type 150 up to 160,the type 151 is a mystery.
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And;
9- Type 152 V4.
10- some details of the designs Type 152 (014).
11- model to Type 153.
12- Type 155 & Type 160.
13- Jet Trainer,different a little from previous.
14- the data for jet trainer project.
15- SP.043 up to SP.050.
16- the complete drawings from SP.048 to SP.050.
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9- Type 152 V4.
10- some details of the designs Type 152 (014).
11- model to Type 153.
12- Type 155 & Type 160.
13- Jet Trainer,different a little from previous.
14- the data for jet trainer project.
15- SP.043 up to SP.050.
16- the complete drawings from SP.048 to SP.050.
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