JAXA next-gen SST

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Hi please enjoy next generation SST design scanned from JAXA's paper. It's performance is as follows.
1. Cruising speed : mach 1.6-2.0
2. range : 10,190km+
3. passengers : 300
4. MTOW : 400ton
5. L/D : 9.5-10.5@mach2.0
Skybolt we are waiting for your new post which is Boeing's blended wing body SST. I believe KJ,too.
 

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Blackkite,

1.) I'd say it's a bit too heavy for it's range and passenger capacity for my taste, although it's L/D ratio figures are quite impressive.

2.) I actually know very little on Boeing's blended-wing SST...


KJ Lesnick
 
Hi KJ! Fine? I'm fine.Yes it's heavy but range is so so. Weight is never ending problem for all flying object. Near future I want to visit JAXA and find some information about this project.
 
Looks like there's going to be a good bit of lift contributed by the fuselage.

However, there have been Japanese Government SST projects going back to the 70's - none have come to fruition. All I can say is, looks like a nice paper project.

Starviking

p.s. Shouldn't the thread title be "JAXA next-gen SST"? ???
 
blackkite said:
Hi KJ! Fine? I'm fine.Yes it's heavy but range is so so. Weight is never ending problem for all flying object. Near future I want to visit JAXA and find some information about this project.


I know weight is a constant problem with aircraft as a rule. But there have been many paper supersonic airliners, some which had greater speed (2.4 to 2.7 at least), that actually weighed at least 50,000 lbs less.

Examples:
-Boeing 2707-300 - Estimates were 635,000 lbs to 750,000 lbs, cruise speed was Mach 2.7
-NASA HSCT Baseline: 738,000 lbs, cruise speed Mach 2.4, range 5,700 nm, with the ability to go to 6,500 IIRC


KJ Lesnick
 
Concerning this design, I realize following items.
1.It has no horizontal tail stabilizer which contribute to good L/D same as NASA S4T ssbj.
2.Engines are installed over the fuselage between vertical stabilizers to shield engine noise.
3.The wing has rather high aspect ratio, it has good efficiency.
4.Supersonic area rule combined with LEX applied to the fuselage.
 
Hi! 7Th of September this year, I will visit JAXA open house and search some information of this design.
 
P.S I find elevator tail of this plane. My worry for pitch control is disappeared.
 
Hi! JAXA's gliding test plane to verify SST designing technology. It was launched by rocket in 2005 Australia, reached mach2.7 altitude almost 20km and measured aerodymanical data at mach2.
 

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This cranked arrow wing is natural laminar flow wing designed by computer. Warp of wing root is very clear. Last 2 pictures are biplane SST design to reduce sonic boom developed by Tohoku university and JAXA. NASA and JAXA begin joint corroboration for sonic boom modeling this year.
 

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Biplane SST is a really weird stuff! I like it so much!
 
Hi! Next picture of biplane SST MISORA(Mitigated SOnic-boom Research Airplane).
 

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Didn't Lockheed do research on this concept as well? IIRC there was an artist's concept shown in Flight International of a Lockheed supersonic flying wing that used simlar design concepts to mitigate sonic boom and reduce drag
 
Here it is head-on. And, yes, Lockheed did look at something similar. This link:

http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/2000/2000-1%20-%200998.pdf

is from Hesham's post at:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2623.0/highlight,lockheed+qsp.html

I think there is a patent somewhere explaining the Lockheed configuration...
 

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Here's a link to a Tohoku University pdf on the thing:

http://www.ifs.tohoku.ac.jp/edge/publications/ifs-biplane.pdf

Here's what it says - not that it helps much:

SILENT SUPERSONIC TRANSPORT

Future Airplane Friendly to Environment


Since the airplane appeared, one hundred years passed. The airplane has become important transportation to support our life. In the future, its role is only expected to grow, as we seek for faster, safer, more comfortable and environmentally friendly airplanes. We research future aircraft concepts.

Breakthrough concept
A new theory that significantly reduces shock waves for supersonic transport (SST) has been established by Prof. Kusunose’s group at Tohoku University under the 21st Century COE Program. The theory introduces a second wing nearly parallel to the conventional wing.

An aircraft flying at supersonic speed creates the shock waves, which are basically compressed air. It might be helpful, for example, to imagine water waves generated at the bow of a moving ship. When these shock waves reach the ground, it will be heard as a noisy explosion (sonic boom). This is one of the fundamental problems preventing commercial aircrafts from supersonic flight. The new theory, which makes use of biplane concept, proves that the interaction between the two wings cancels the strong shock waves generated during supersonic flight.

Although this theory was originally proposed in the 1930s by Adolf Busemann, no supersonic aircraft was available at that time. We verified that the biplane configuration reduces shock wave effects felt on the ground by 85%.

Vision for our century
The airplane of the future should offer safe, fast and comfortable transport to everyone. Although modern airplanes take approximately 12 hours to go from Tokyo to New York, the new SST might fly the same distance in half the time. Quick transportation of people and goods around the world would bring a considerable impact on economy, too.

Health problems of passengers are also an important issue in these days. With the new SST, deep-vein thrombosis after long flights will be eliminated, because the flight time is significantly reduced. Everyone from small children to elderly people would be comfortable.

Innovative ideas are needed for the realization of new SST’s. We study the biplane concept to develop the airplane of the future.
 
Don't you just love the web...?

1 - MISORA - aka MItegated SOnic-boom Research Airplane - "is the honorific name of SKY in Japanese".

2 - here's a TV clip of the looney inventor himself (Japanese with English subtitles)!

http://www.tohoku100-tv.jp/e/thisweek/070827/index.html
 
Sek and ye shall...oh, never mind. Here's that Lockheed patent.

http://tinyurl.com/5cc3mb
 

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That biplane seems kind of weird. From all the papers I've read, you can't really get lift out of a busemann biplane AND have no ground shock. Well, one paper said you could get (almost) no shock on the ground but then you'd have a configuration with negative lift. Doesn't sound such a good idea.
 
According to professor Ohbayashi's paper, this biplane generate lift and has good efficiency at design speed mach2. But this wing also has choke problem and need some mechanism to avoid choke. Professor Ohbayashi discovered this problem using super computer analysis. When normal fuselage combined with this wing, fuselage generate sonic boom so cabin must locate over the wing. It's not easy to realize this concept.
 

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Hi! Double hull ship and MISORA 3-view pictures. Double hull ship picture clearly shows low wave making resistance characteristic of this shape. Sorry for low quality.
 

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Although it is superfluous to say so, for Japanese, MISORA means 'Hibari Misora', an exceptionally talented popular music singer. She died in 1987(52 years old). American jazz player Anthony Braxton praised her very much. 'Hibari' means sky lark and 'Misora' means beautiful sky. She sang judo song 'YAWARA'. MISORA is very easy name to remember for Japanese.
 

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It reminded me somehow of the picture in the NASA publication "Sonic Boom Research. NASA SP-147, edited by A. R. Seebass", more specifically in the paper at the end "A boomless wing configuration". That configuration is analyzed in detail and it is concluded that:

An aerodynamic configuration designed to achieve lift with no boom by affecting only air above the configuration was found to give a second-order lift using a first-order theory. The configuration does not result in lift using any higher order theory and the reason is shown to be due to the asymmetry of the curve for pressure versus property angle for isentropic flows.

Upon looking into that paper again, I now realize Ohbayashi's configuration doesn't look exactly the same but rather seems at mitigating the sonic boom at ground level, not eliminating it at all.
 
I just wonder how boarding procedure would look like for (passenger) MISORA...and think that this would be one of solid reasons to think of...
 
Simon666! Many thanks for good report. I will study. Flateric! Yes I think so. Existing boarding bridges are not applied to MISSORA. We will go on board MISORA from third floor or fourth floor of the airport. Emergency escape is also little problem.
 
Hi! I met MISORA developping member in AEROSPACE JAPAN 2008 in YOKOHAMA city Japan yesterday.He taught me following information.
1.If this wing has large swept angle, shock wave interference between upper and under wing for low sonic boom does not occur.(So it is difficult to use large swept delta wing which allow long cabin to reduce drag.)
2.Full model wind tunnel test has not been conducting.
3.Flying test using supersonic glider is planned between Tohoku university and JAXA.
4.They are worrying about this draggy short cabin and thinking to combine this wing with normal long fuselage. (Extend this cabin to after direction?)
5.Wing span is 80m and length is 20m.
6.Cruising speed : Mach1.7
7.Passengers : 100
 

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Also they are worrying about choke and studying to avoid this problem.
 

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Hi! Japan Aircraft Development Corporation's SST model in JAPAN AEROSPACE 2008.(Designed by JADC, Mitsubishi, Kawasaki & Fuji)
1.Cruising speed : Mach 1.6
2.Range : 6,000n.m
3.Passengers : 226(3 class)
4.MTOW : 350ton
5.Engine : non afterburning turbojet 83,150lb each
6.Length : 78.6m
7.wing span : 43.0m
 

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Second picture of JADC's SST model. The enginner of JADC told me that sonic boom is still problem.
 

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Hi! Fuselage breadth is 4.2m(13.78feet). Cruising speed Mach 1.6 is same as F-22 and F-23. MISORA is Mach 1.7. It seems that Mach 1.6-1.7 is good speed for non-afterburnig supersonic cruise. JADC's engineer said that Mach1.6 is good for aircraft material.
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blackkite said:
Hi! Fuselage breadth is 4.2m(13.78feet).

That´s... comfortable. About the Tu-114 width. 25 cm wider than A320. 44 cm wider than B737. 47 cm wider than DC-8.

In FAR and JAR countries, single aisle planes are restricted to no seat more than two seats from an aisle. Otherwise, 420 cm might allow rather more decent 7 abreast 3-4 seating than the Channel Airways Tridents.
 
Hi! JAXA's supersonic flying test bed for low noise & low sonic boom design method verification in 2008 AEROSPACE JAPAN.
 

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Hi! Flying test plan of this plane.
 

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Second picture of this model.
 

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Any idea if this model or tests are related to JAXA ??

more here: http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ktbmwm3/GALLERY/gallery.html?fid=0&p=2

Deino ???
 

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One thing to note is that it's carried by an F-15; Japanese F-15s do not have a sea search radar which is why you usually see sea skimmers on their F-4s and F-2s.
 

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