Bassou designs

Tophe said:
A derivative of the Bassou Rubis of 1936 (see http://www.aviafrance.com/bassou-fb-31-rubis--aviation-france-9852.htm ) was (or would have been?) the Heider amphibian (from Le Trait d’Union #163 Sept-Oct 1995):
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Well, in the Trait d'Union #170 (Nov-Dec 1995), the aspect of the Bassou Rubis (corrections article) is very different from the photograph in the link above. Alas I have not the main article of Trait d'Union about Bassou aircradt.
 

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Tophe said:
Alas I have not the main article of Trait d'Union about Bassou aircraft.
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I was completely lost in the alphabetical counter-directions of the Trait d’Union articles "French manufacturers 1919-45 by Charles Claveau", anyway the Index helped me: I found the Bassou article, in T.U.137 (May-June 1991).
So, there were several Bassou families (or SCAL = Société de Construction et d’Aviation Légère) before 1945:
* Rubis family: high wing twin-boom (tractor or glider), only one copy (Rubis) has been built
* FB 20: one built
* FB 30: one built
* FB 31: low wing twin-boom pusher, two and half copies built, nick-named Fol (Crazy) or Le Grand Père Vampire (The Vampire Grand Father).
* FB 40/41: biplane, 3 copies built
So the link to the Bassou FB 31 should not have been called Rubis, or should have been read as "Rubis II".
The enclosed 3-view (initial project?) is more ‘purely’ twin-boom than the corrected one published later (presented here previously, built prototype):
 

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Tophe said:
* Rubis family: high wing twin-boom (tractor or glider), only one copy (Rubis) has been built
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Detail of the Rubis family:
- Rubis: two seater, school or tourism (maybe 'General Aviation' in English), first flight in 1933, with code F-ALZZ, 40hp Salmson 9Ad engine
- Saphir: single-seat trainer (project)
- Heider: two-seat amphibian (project)
- Lutin: glider or motorglider (project)
 
In the Trait d'Union #224 (Nov-Dec 2005) is a good addition to the Bassou family:
1= Lutin glider
2= Saphir single-seater
3 = Rubis two-seater
 

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The article posted below appeared in l'Aéro. Unfortunately when I took a copy of the article, I failed to make a note of the date of the issue. I'll have to go back to my source and try to ascertain this. However for the present, the article is interesting in that it addresses the various variations on the original Rubis theme. But was the aeroplane photographically illustrated in the article F-ALZZ (which was registered as the SCAL Rubis c/n 01)? If the 'three view' drawing is a true representation of the aeroplane photographically illustrated, then it differs significantly from F-ALZZ. I'm inclined to think that F-ALZZ was an evolution of the aeroplane photographically illustrated. Maybe the aeroplane photographically illustrated was the Bassou FB.20. But if so, I've never come across another photograph of the FB.20, by reference to which to confirm or deny this theory.
 

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Very nice Info,thank you for sharing Avion.
 
Here Bassou fb 31 and 41
(aviation magazine)
 

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Don't forget that one of these curious little beasts actually made it onto the British civil register. F-APDT became G-AFCD in 1937 but it didn't last long, being destroyed in a fatal crash the following year. There is some newsreel footage of it after its arrival in the UK but before being re-registered as G-AFCD . The CAA records it as a FB.30, c/n 2 (which ties in with the French civil register entry for F-APDT). But if the information in Tophe's post of 24.09.11 is correct, maybe actually it was a (the?) FB.31. The information that Jackson gives about G-AFCD is that it was a wooden two seater pusher, powered by a 40 CV Menguin engine. However the photograph accompanying the text shows what appears to be a low wing aeroplane with twin booms (as does the newsreel footage of F-APDT after its arrival in the UK) - which is a different aeroplane to the single boom pusher illustrated on the aviafrance website and there described as the 'FB.31 Rubis'. So maybe there was more than one FB.30?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl9acRCqin8
 
I've looked again at the FB.31 illustrated on the aviafrance website and now realise that the aeroplane illustrated has twin booms - as do the aeroplanes in both of the top two photographs posted by Toura earlier today. Thus I think that, despite the registration details recorded against it in both France and the UK, F-APDT/G-AFCD was a FB.31. But maybe it started life as a FB.30 and no-one bothered to change its registered description when it was converted to a FB.31. So does anyone have a photograph of a FB.30?
 
Hi,


from L'Aerophile 11/1935,here is anther drawings to some of his aircraft.
 

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Bassou FB.40, for l'Aviation Populaire, still under construction in early 1938.
Text, drawing and specifications from L'Aérophile 02/1938.
Name is spelled "Bassou EB4" in the table, surely a mistake.
 

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Here is some different Bassou Projects ,

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201934%2005.pdf
 

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c460 said:
Bassou FB.40, for l'Aviation Populaire, still under construction in early 1938.
Text, drawing and specifications from L'Aérophile 02/1938.
Name is spelled "Bassou EB4" in the table, surely a mistake.
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My dear C460,

there was a Bassou FB.40,and FB.4.
 

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Am I correct in my understanding that there were two aircraft designers with the surname Bassou, namely Antoine and Félix? Were they brothers (post # 8 refers to 'les frères Bassou')? Félix seems to have been involved with SCAL and to have been the designer of the post-war FB.31 and the FB.41, whereas it seems that Antoine was the designer of the pre-war Saphir and Rubis and their derivatives. It's not helpful that many of the texts simply refer to the designer as M. Bassou! Can anyone shed light on this?
 
I'll be much obliged, Hesham, if you can post a copy of the relevant extract from that issue of TU.
 
avion ancien said:
I'll be much obliged, Hesham, if you can post a copy of the relevant extract from that issue of TU.
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OK my dear Avion.
 

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Tophe said:
Tophe said:
(from Le Trait d’Union #163 Sept-Oct 1995):
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Presented also are derivatives of the Rubis designed by Guy Michelet:
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From L'Air Revue 1743,

a clearer views to Rubis derivatives,with more Info.
 

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I think they meant Bassou ?.
 

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hesham said:
Here is some different Bassou Projects
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We have a problem here (reply #17): the aircraft in the third picture is captioned as the "Antarès". However, the aircraft in the first picture appears elsewhere with the caption "Antarès, de Jean Angeli". So what do we make of this? Which aircraft is the "Antarès", after all? And was it a Bassou, or Angeli design? Unfortunately, the link is no longer valid so it's impossible to verify, unless someone has saved the "Ala d'Italia 1934-05" file...
 

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Stargazer said:
We have a problem here (reply #17): the aircraft in the third picture is captioned as the "Antarès". However, the aircraft in the first picture appears elsewhere with the caption "Antarès, de Jean Angeli". So what do we make of this? Which aircraft is the "Antarès", after all? And was it a Bassou, or Angeli design? Unfortunately, the link is no longer valid so it's impossible to verify, unless someone has saved the "Ala d'Italia 1934-05" file...
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No problem Stargazer,

here is the two pages,and I divide them into two pairs for each,to can read them,because it's hard
to get any of them one shot.
 

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hesham said:
No problem Stargazer,

here is the two pages,and I divide them into two pairs for each,to can read them,because it's hard
to get any of them one shot.
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OK, so according to Ala d'Italia, the aircraft found in Les Ailes as the Angeli "Antarès" is the Bassou "Camel"?! But the Bassou "Antarès" is something else? I wonder if the Italian magazine didn't get mixed up...
 
Various photos of Bassou planes. The FB-40 comes from Air Britain. The other ones from Bassou family and from my collection.
 

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New infographics by yours truly. Hope it makes things a little clearer.
Of course I'm open to criticism, and if anything is unclear or wrong, please let me know.
To my knowledge, only the two "Rubis" prototypes were produced, the latter one by Société Félix Louis.
 

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The question of the "Antarès" is now solved unequivocally by returning to the original publication in the 1 Feb. 1934 of "Les Ailes". Both the Italian publication and hesham got a little confused — which shows the importance of knowing the language (or having someone proof-reading for you) when you do such research.

The Bassou "Lou Camel" and the Angéli "Antarès" designs were the two finalists of a contest by the A.E.T.A. (Association d'Études Techniques des Ailes), the Bassou Brothers being #1 in the "Airplane" category, while Angéli finished #2 in the "Airplane" and #1 in the "Engine" categories. The jury comprised a host of famous names in aviation such as Clément, Galtier, Jarlaud, Lefèvre, Mandelli, Nessler, Rey, Richard, Robert or Vautier.

The Bassou Brothers being from Béziers in the South of France, they called their aircraft "Lou Camel", which is Occitan patois for "The Camel" (in French it would be "Le Chameau") — possibly referring to the fact that the aircraft didn't use up a lot of fuel.
 

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Stargazer said:
...The Bassou Brothers being from Béziers in the South of France, they called their aircraft "Lou Camel", which is Occitan patois for "The Camel" (in French it would be "Le Chameau") — possibly referring to the fact that the aircraft didn't use up a lot of fuel.
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On naming, the frères Bassou being from Béziers may be relevant. Lou Camel had also been the name of their local cultural newspaper published in lenga d'òc (Languedocien).
 

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