Misc McDonnell-Douglas VSTOL/STOL projects

Antonio · 5 March 2006

The US-UK Fighter in RAF colours. In Keymags forum this aircraft was matched with its BAe Kingston number. A render was also available by year 2000 in the net but I can't find it. I think it was from a British artist.

flateric · 21 June 2007

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hesham · 22 June 2007

Hi flateric,

About the VT-102 & VT-107,was that mean McDDONELL Model-102 & 107 ?.

flateric · 22 June 2007

hesham said:
Hi flateric,

About the VT-102 & VT-107,was that mean McDDONELL Model-102 & 107 ?.

In original paper written "McDonnell Model VT102-6-6A" and so on for VT107

hesham · 16 July 2007

Hi,

Old two projects from 1980s,

McDonnell Douglas AV-8E was improved AV-8B with more powerful 23.500 1b
Pegasus 11F-35 and other improvements such as LERX (leading-edge root
extensions) and AV-8SX supersonic demenstrator proposed by McDonnell Douglas
and BAe with RR/PWA propulsion sponsorship,supersonic wing,longer fuselage,
33430 1b pegasus 11F-35PCB.

Notes that they didn't mention with AV-8SX if it had a canard,that means it
was not McDonnell Model-279.

Jemiba · 12 October 2007

"..or the USAF should have purchased the French Breguet 941."

The US even could have stayed with "buy american", if McDonnel Douglas had
proceeded with the MDD 210G, an enlarged derivative of the Br.941S !
(from Air et Cosmos, November 1968)

hesham · 19 January 2008

hesham said:
Hi,

Old two projects from 1980s,
McDonnell Douglas AV-8E was improved AV-8B with more powerful 23.500 1b
Pegasus 11F-35 and other improvements such as LERX (leading-edge root
extensions) and AV-8SX supersonic demenstrator proposed by McDonnell Douglas
and BAe with RR/PWA propulsion sponsorship,supersonic wing,longer fuselage,
33430 1b pegasus 11F-35PCB.
Notes that they didn't mention with AV-8SX if it had a canard,that means it
was not McDonnell Model-279.

The AV-8SX aircraft.
http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1981/1981%20-%200679.html?search=stovl%20aircraft%201980

Archibald · 19 January 2008

Jemiba said:
"..or the USAF should have purchased the French Breguet 941."

The US even could have stayed with "buy american", if McDonnel Douglas had
proceeded with the MDD 210G, an enlarged derivative of the Br.941S !
(from Air et Cosmos, November 1968)

According to Science&Vie H.S Aviation 1999, a 150m-long landing was obtaine using a Br.941 prototype. It also landed in a car park.
Consideration was aparently given to use Br.941 on the COD role onboard Foch and Clemenceau carriers.
- not only C-130 can land on carriers!-

Jemiba · 20 January 2008

... and the Br.941 was just the beginning of a series of designs,
e.g. the 945 was a dedicated tactical transport :
(from FlugWelt-61-I)

hesham · 2 June 2009

Hi,

the McDonnell Douglas modifications for the aircraft,T-39,A-6 and Foodoo
to became V/STOL aircraft.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19760005979_1976005979.pdf

Mark Nankivil · 29 September 2009

Greetings All -

Found this bit of artwork on a McDonnell Douglas design in the Greater St. Louis Air & Space Museum archives. No additional info with it so any leads to a Model # would be appreciated!

Enjoy the Day! Mark

Mark Nankivil · 29 September 2009

McDonnell Douglas Model 276 artwork from the Greater St. Louis Air & Space Museum archives.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

overscan (PaulMM) · 30 September 2009

I've seen the artwork before but never with a model number unfortunately.

It was featured in Naval Aviation News Sept 1978 as "McDonnell Douglas VSTOL Type B".

VTOLicious · 6 August 2012

Never seen before...any ideas? Discovered at the Ames Imaging Library System: http://ails.arc.nasa.gov/images/newimages/jpegs/highres/AC75-1002.jpg

Title: Large Scale Lift Fan Transport Model test-459 in the 40x80ft w.t.
Note the two guys with the fire extinguisher

Orionblamblam · 6 August 2012

That is, I believe, one of the VTOL DC-9 derivatives studied in the late 60's/early 70's.

LowObservable · 7 August 2012

Man, they had some good stuff in California in those days. That thing is the aerospace equivalent of this:

Stargazer · 12 August 2012

Orionblamblam said:
That is, I believe, one of the VTOL DC-9 derivatives studied in the late 60's/early 70's.

Interesting. I never realized the McDonnell Model 253 studies had gone that far.

overscan (PaulMM) · 28 September 2012

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hesham · 14 October 2012

flateric said:
more...

Also Model-253,VT-102,VT-103 and VT-104;

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19730006314_1973006314.pdf

hesham · 14 October 2012

And the selected aircraft;

Stargazer · 31 October 2012

hesham said:
the McDonnell Douglas modifications for the aircraft,T-39,A-6 and Foodoo
to became V/STOL aircraft.
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19760005979_1976005979.pdf

All the images of the VTOL F-101 from that report:

Stargazer · 31 October 2012

Seems like everyone in the 1970s considered to modify the North American T-39 Sabreliner into a V/STOL aircraft...

From the same report as the V/STOL F-101:

Stargazer · 31 October 2012

Still from the same report, two other design studies, one called the New Airframe, and the other the Composite Aircraft:

aim9xray · 31 October 2012

Stargazer2006 said:
Seems like everyone in the 1970s considered to modify the North American T-39 Sabreliner into a V/STOL aircraft...

Well, of course! NASA specified a Sabreliner conversion as an element in the study.

VTOLicious · 1 November 2012

hesham said:
flateric said:

more...

Click to expand...

Also Model-253,VT-102,VT-103 and VT-104;

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19730006314_1973006314.pdf

I´ve posted a picture of the Model-253 here: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,16382.msg157394.html#msg157394

Stargazer · 11 December 2013

I am sure we have had this McDonnell supersonic V/STOL fighter project on the forum before but I can't seem to find it... Can anyone point me to it or at least identify it? Thanks!

Rafael · 11 December 2013

Stargazer2006 said:
I am sure we have had this McDonnell supersonic V/STOL fighter project on the forum before but I can't seem to find it... Can anyone point me to it or at least identify it? Thanks!

Model 279-1 if memory serves

Triton · 11 December 2013

Rafael said:
Stargazer2006 said:

I am sure we have had this McDonnell supersonic V/STOL fighter project on the forum before but I can't seem to find it... Can anyone point me to it or at least identify it? Thanks!

Click to expand...

Model 279-1 if memory serves

Yep

"McDonnell-Douglas Model 279 VSTOL fighter"
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2655.msg69123.html#msg69123

Stargazer · 12 December 2013

Thanks folks. I don't know how it eluded me in the first place!

djfawcett · 2 January 2014

Hello,

This is in responce to the first post by pometablava on this thread .

The concept is the Kingston P.1228. I attached some pictures of the model that could not be found. I was searching the company archives (AirBoss) the other day and ran across the pictures. I know there are some far superior rendering in the archive, I just need to find them.

Dave

overscan (PaulMM) · 2 January 2014

3 view is by Francis K Mason (ex-Hawker & author).

Rhinocrates · 2 January 2014

Renders by Adrian Mann, IIRC.

overscan (PaulMM) · 2 January 2014

Yep, confirmed. Not sure where the 3 view is from.

Stargazer · 2 January 2014

BAe Kingston being the former Hawker design bureau, right?

Mike Pryce · 3 January 2014

That design is not from Kingston - it was a Rolls-Royce artist's impression that Mason wrongly attributed to them. It was in no way a 'design' by any aircraft company.

The BAe Kingston P.1228 was a conventional looking four-poster, aft tail project from 1985.

fightingirish · 18 June 2014

McDonnell Douglas V/STOL Intercity Jet project
Source: Interavia Germany, February 1969, page 151

hesham · 18 June 2014

Wow,amazing project my dear Rolf.

edwest4 · 9 June 2019

McDonnell Douglas TAV-8B AV-8B
Cockpit mock-up

hesham · 17 March 2021

From NASA report,Conceptual design studies of a V/STOL civil lift
fan transport of 1974.

Mark Nankivil · 20 June 2023

Jemiba said:
"..or the USAF should have purchased the French Breguet 941."

The US even could have stayed with "buy american", if McDonnel Douglas had
proceeded with the MDD 210G, an enlarged derivative of the Br.941S !
(from Air et Cosmos, November 1968)

Recently bought this photo print (wish it was the original art!) at an estate sale here in St. Louis. Estate was apparently a retired McAir photographer.

Enjoy the Day! Mark

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