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Romano R.2: an observation biplane of a seaplane configuration.

[quote author=hesham]Romano R.1 was biplane inspired by Wright design.[/quote]
The R 1 designed by Etienne Romano made only one very short fight in 1908.
It was not a so 'secret' a project.
 
Dear Stéphane, is this all you will need to make a Romano designations list for Etienne Romano's aircraft?

The list comes from the 15th March 1967 issue of Aviation Magazine International......

Terry (Caravellarella)
 

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How could I hope for more?! :eek: I only had half of these... ::)

However, I have an "R.160" which doesn't appear here... An alternate designation for the R.16, maybe?
 
Stargazer2006 said:
How could I hope for more?! :eek: I only had half of these... ::)

However, I have an "R.160" which doesn't appear here... An alternate designation for the R.16, maybe?
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Who knows Stéphane; but the article is quite implicit that the R-130 biplane light fighter "project" was the final design to come out of the company......
 
Stargazer2006 said:
How could I hope for more?! :eek: I only had half of these... ::)

However, I have an "R.160" which doesn't appear here... An alternate designation for the R.16, maybe?
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R-16 - appelé ensuite R-160 :eek:......
 
A small addition to the list:
Romano R70:two engined bomber monoplane with shoulderwing.Fixed u.c. and
enclosed noseturret.Probably based on the R60.
(noseturret patent 1933)

from the sadly gone AFM n° 14. 3/4-2007
 
R-160 = version of the R-16 with civilian registration F-AKGE.
R-162 = production version of the R-160 which was not built.
 
lark said:
A small addition to the list:
Romano R70:two engined bomber monoplane with shoulderwing.Fixed u.c. and
enclosed noseturret.Probably based on the R60.
(noseturret patent 1933)

from the sadly gone AFM n° 14. 3/4-2007
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Great find my dear Lark,

thank you very much,and I think the R70 was submitted to the 1933 competition,
for Multi-seat combat aircraft,with the contenders; Farman F.420,Amiot-144,
Dewoitine D-420,Bloch-130,Breguet-460,Potez-541 and SAB-80 (Bordelaise).
 
Here is an attempt at a summary from the previous information, and from the website of Cannes Aéro Spatial Patrimoine:
http://www.cannes-aero-patrimoine.net/mediawiki/index.php/A%C3%A9ronefs_Romano
http://www.cannes-aero-patrimoine.net/pdf/pub/caspk_APADH__005_Jung_His_Cannes.pdf
There was also an article in issue no.14 of the defunct magazine AFM.

There is contradictory information about some numbers.
  • First aircraft Two-engine biplane, two Anzani 25 hp. One built in 1908. Designation R.1 given by Liron is uncertain.
  • R.1 or R.I Three-seat trainer biplane with removable hull, one Clerget 130 hp engine. One built in 1921-22, damaged and repaired with improvements.
  • R.2 or R.II (?) Jung speculates that it corresponds to a 1921 patent design with interchangeable floats and landing gear. Liron mentions a single-float seaplane with one Rhône 9C 80 hp engine, with a single example built in 1919. This is unconfirmed, and the date is contradicted by the research by Jung.
  • R.3 Single-float two-seat seaplane, one HS 8 Ab 180 hp. One built, 1924.
  • R.4 Single-float two-seat seaplane, one Salmson 9 A 230 hp. One built, 1927.
  • R.5 All-metal high-wing monoplane flying boat, one HS 12 Nbr 650 hp. One built, 1932.
  • R.6 or R.60 High-wing transport monoplane, three GR 7 Kb 300 hp. One built, 1932, F-AKGB then F-AJAB.
  • R.7 (?) Flying boat, one Salmson 9 Ac 120 hp. Project only, mentioned by Liron, unconfirmed since.
  • R.70 Two-engine high-wing monoplane bomber. Project only, known from a windtunnel model shown in AFM no.14 and a turret patent dated 1933.
  • R.80 Aerobatic biplane trainer, 1935. Two prototypes with Lorraine 7 Me 240 hp or Salmson 9 Aba 280 hp engine.
  • R.82 Serial production version of the R.80, with Salmson 9 Aba 280 hp. 180 built.
  • R.83 Variant of the R.82 license-built for Spain by the Belgian company LACEBA. 24 ordered, at least ten built.
  • R.90 Twin-float biplane fighter. One example built, 1935, with Hispano 9 Vbrs 650 hp, replaced by Hispano 14 Hbrs 680 hp, and later by Hispano 12 Ycrs 835 hp.
  • R.92 Land-based variant of the R.90. According to Liron, one example was built or converted for Spain.
  • R.100 Three-engine low-wing monoplane transport aircraft, with GR 14 Kdrs 900 hp. Project only.
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12555.0.html
  • R.110 Three-seat monoplane heavy fighter or "aerial command post", two Renault 12 R 450 hp. One built.
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12613.0.html
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8596.0.html
  • R.120 Two-engine bomber, with Hispano 14 Aa 980 hp. One built.
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12572.0.html
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8596.0.html
  • R.130 Single-seat biplane fighter with retractable geat, one Renault 12 R-03 450 hp. Project only.
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12549.0.html
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8596.0.html
  • R.131 Variant of the R.130 with Wright Cyclone. Project only, for Spain, perhaps not studied for real.
    http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12549.0.html
  • R.15 Three-engine high-wing tourer, three Salmson 9-cyl. 75 hp. One built, 1933.
  • R.16 or R.160 High-wing colonial monoplane, three Lorraine 9 Na 300 hp. One built, 1933, F-AKGE.
  • R.162 Planned production version of the R.160, mentioned above by Jos Heyman. Project only.
 
Excellent my dear Adrien,


and I want to add,in my file,


R.60 was twin engined version of R.6,as transport aircraft.
 
hesham said:
R.60 was twin engined version of R.6,as transport aircraft.
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Hi Hesham,
I'm curious, where did you find this information ?
In AFM no.14, Philippe Ricco says that the name of the R.6 was changed to R.60 ca. 1934, and shows a picture of the three-engined aircraft captioned as "R.60".
Adrien
 
That's I know my dear Adrien,and I will check.
 
Hi,


in the Aero Journal No.44 magazine,my dear Lark send to me the article about Romano
twin engined aircraft and projects,many thanks to him,but I don't know why they said
that;the designation R-150 which mentioned in Les Ailes magazine,was not exist,how
or why they sure for that far.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65558767/f9.image
 

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Hi,

the only Romano mystery is still here;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6957.msg59942.html#msg59942
 
Interesting informations... Does someone have maybe information that was published on the R-6/R-15/R-160? I think there was maybe some pictures/drawings published in Aviation Magazine? Any information is appreciated :)
 
Hi Rlucas,

from my dear Toura,here is what I have.
 

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some pictures of the Romano R-1 have just appeared here:

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/17-The-Ongoing-Mystery-Aircraft-Thread-Part-Deux?p=1061124&viewfull=1#post1061124

and here: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php/17-The-Ongoing-Mystery-Aircraft-Thread-Part-Deux?p=1061269&viewfull=1#post1061269

Also note that a replica stands at the Musée de l'Hydraviation de Biscarrosse, France: http://www.sbap.be/museum/biscarosse/biscarosse.htm and https://www.flickr.com/photos/phantom2/16212263773/
 
hesham said:
in the Aero Journal No.44 magazine,my dear Lark send to me the article about Romano
twin engined aircraft and projects,many thanks to him,but I don't know why they said
that;the designation R-150 which mentioned in Les Ailes magazine,was not exist,how
or why they sure for that far.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65558767/f9.image
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I think this designation is true and maybe developed from R-15 ?.
 
Every time I heard about this aircraft builder, I just can't help thinking about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtFmoznC64

"Mais dehors, les romanos !"
 
hesham said:
hesham said:
in the Aero Journal No.44 magazine,my dear Lark send to me the article about Romano
twin engined aircraft and projects,many thanks to him,but I don't know why they said
that;the designation R-150 which mentioned in Les Ailes magazine,was not exist,how
or why they sure for that far.


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k65558767/f9.image
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I think this designation is true and maybe developed from R-15 ?.
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As we know,the R-130 was designed in 1934,and the company was very active in this period,
so I think there was more than this Project were designed,and the firm still up to 1936.
 
hesham said:
hesham said:
hesham said:
in the Aero Journal No.44 magazine,my dear Lark send to me the article about Romano
twin engined aircraft and projects,many thanks to him,but I don't know why they said
that;the designation R-150 which mentioned in Les Ailes magazine,was not exist,how
or why they sure for that far.


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I think this designation is true and maybe developed from R-15 ?.
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As we know,the R-130 was designed in 1934,and the company was very active in this period,
so I think there was more than this Project were designed,and the firm still up to 1936.
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When you get more Info,you will find Aero Journal was wrong,in 1936 and
in Paris Salon,they displayed a seaplane flying boat Project intended for transatlantic role,and that emphasis my theory,that the company developed unknown Projects until 1936,and it's a proof.
 

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To know Romano series,

the single number mean the Model designation Project,or it actually built until R4,and from R5 & R50,the addition Zero,was meant a prototype,and for production; the addition number changed into 2 or 3 if there was improvements or new concept,such as R8,became R80 as a prototype,R82 for production,and R83 for more modification,if the addition number was "1",that means a further developments,and if the addition number before the original one,means more improvements,such as R6 & R16.
 
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hesham said:
To know Romano series,

the single number mean the Model designation Project,or it actually built until R4,and from R5 & R50,the addition Zero,was meant a prototype,and for production; the addition number changed into 2 or 3 if there was improvements or new concept,such as R8,became R80 as a prototype,R82 for production,and R83 for more modification,if the addition number was "1",that means a further developments,and if the addition number before the original one,means more improvements,such as R6 & R16.
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From Aviation Magazine.
 

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c460 said:
  • R.7 (?) Flying boat, one Salmson 9 Ac 120 hp. Project only, mentioned by Liron, unconfirmed since.
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This is simply an hypothesis from Jean Liron, but unfortunately, he had no clue. The original plan does not show any designation.
 

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  • R.83 Variant of the R.82 license-built for Spain by the Belgian company LACEBA. 24 ordered, at least ten built.
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I do not agree with that. It was an error from Jean Liron in Aviation Magazine. The Romano 83 was the designation used for the single-seater version of the Romano 82 with smaller wingspan, delivered in Spain.
I published the detailed story of these planes in Avions N° 212 July/August 2016.
 

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I do not agree with that. It was an error from Jean Liron in Aviation Magazine. The Romano 83 was the designation used for the single-seater version of the Romano 82 with smaller wingspan, delivered in Spain.
I published the detailed story of these planes in Avions N° 212 July/August 2016.
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I forgot to precise that the first who clarified this Romano 83 identification was the Spanish historian David Gesali, in his Catalan-language book:
 

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