Project HARPs Scramjet Vehicles

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These photos and information were provided through the courtesy of
Sannu Molder who has been an important contributor to scramjet engine research
going back to the 1960s, and is still involved, to this day.

Sannu was also heavily involved in the development of the scramjet
powered HARP (High Altitude Research Program) vehicles (called
Martlet IIs) you will be seeing photos of here. Of all the vehicles
launched by Project HARP the scramjet powered vehicles were pretty rare.

I have encountered only one reference to these scramjet Martlets before, namely:
HYPERSONIC AIRBREATHING PROPULSION: EVOLUTION AD OPPORTUNITIES (AGARD CP-428)
by P. J. Waltrup; The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory

In fact the above ramjet/scramjet history called Sannu Molder's efforts
here: "these are the only reported attempts to actually flight test a
scramjet" at the time of publication of this JHAPL paper. I think this
makes them the first scramjets ever flown.

Sannu Molder and his associates developed these vehicles in the 1960's !
And if you look at the inlet technology, it is the same basic inward turning
technology being used today. These inlets were based on Busemann's theoretical
work published in the 1940s.

Project HARP, as it was installed down in the Barbados, used
a standard US Navy 16" MK I battleship gun, smooth-bored initially
to 16.4 inches and then enlarged to 16.7 inches when extended
to its full final length.

The photos follow:

001 - A diagram of a inward turning scramjet inlet module.
The first photo shows the schematic of one module. Point "A" at
the tip is at the tip of the vehicle centerline. Each scramjet
module (of which there are 4) is joined at point "A".
Another important point to look at is the triangular exit of
the inlet module labeled "M3". I will point out these locations
in the photos of the actual inlets.

002 - Here is a photo of an actual Martlet II scramjet vehicle
modular inlet. We are looking down at one module. Point "A" of this
module is at the very tip at the top. To the right of the module
we are looking at, you can make out another module turned 90 deg
to the right. Likewise on the left of the module seen in the picture
is another module turned 90 deg to the left. And behind the module
in the photo, turned 180 deg from the module in the photo is yet
another module (you can't see it because it is directly behind the
one in the photo). The point "A"s of each of these modules are joined
at the very tip. So if you looked down at the inlet you'd see
4 modules, each taking 90 degrees of the vehicles circumference.

003 - Now we look at the end of the inlet. Remember the triangular exit
labelled "M3"? You can see each of the 4 scramjet modules has a
triangular exit area. Each of these exit areas goes to its own supersonic
cumbustor in the main fuselage of the scramjet attached below this inlet.
In the center are the screw threads which attach the inlet to the fuselage
of the scramjet vehicle. Also this center area is where the fuel tank
of the scramjet vehicle is. It is also the main load carrying member
of the huge G-load of cannon launch 20,000-50,000 G's !!
The fuel used is Triethyl Aluminum (TEA - (C2H5)3 Al). TEA is highly
reactive (ignites with air at room temp. and reacts explosively
with water). Such a fuel is more sure to burn in marginal ignition
conditions. The fuel injectors for each of the four inlet modules are
inside the inlet component of the scramjet vehicle and can't be seen.

004 - At the end of the scramjet is the nozzle and fin area. As you look
at the end of the actual nozzle, you see the circular area where
the main load carrying fuel tank is. The pusher plate, which attaches
to the end of the scramjet for gun launch pushes against the end of
the fuel tank here when the gun fires.
 

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005 - Unpacking a Martlet II scramjet fuselage, fins and nozzle.

006 - Assembling the scramjet vehicle. The thick round disk is the
pusher plate, which attaches to the end of the scramjet vehicle
and which transmits the load of the gun firing, to the vehicle.
The 4 curved walls to the right of the pusher plate
are the pieces of the sabot which will surround the scramjet
vehicle when the scramjet is loaded into the guns breach. When
the scramjet flies out of the end of the gun, the sabot is
supposed to blow off the scramjet vehicle. The sabot is used to
provide a seal to trap propellant gases behind the vehicle, and
to keep the vehicle centered in the barrel.

007 - Assembled Martlet II scramjet vehicle with pusher plate
attached at the bottom, and inlet attached at the top. The 4
sabot pieces are lined up along side.

008 - Another photo like 007 from a different angle.
 

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009 - This how the sabot attaches to the scramjet vehicle.
When all 4 sides of the sabot are in place, the bottom
half or so of the vehicle is completely surrounded
by the sabot.

010 - Loading the scramjet into the gun breach.

011 - Gun being raised into position - to 85 degrees.

012 - Gun fires. Muzzle velocity - Mach 5.5 at sea level ! Scramjet inlet
must work at Mach 5.5 at sea level, including compensation for
boundary layer. These inlets worked well due to a lot of tunnel
time in a gun tunnel back in Canada where the performance was
measured.

So what happened? I will quote Waltrups history I refferenced earlier:

"Gun launching scramjets concepts, a novel idea at the time, began in
1960, evolved to actual construction in 1966 (supported by the Canadian
Defense Research Board) and a horizontal flight test took place out of
a 40.6-cm (16-in.) dia gun in 1968 using triethyl aluminum fuel.
Unfortunately, the test was unsuccessful, the structure of the engine
failing during launch. Another gun launching program, however, was begun
in the early 1970's, jointly supported by the National Research Council
(Can) and U.S. Army Ballistics Research Lab. In the Spring of 1974,
another firing was attempted, this time at a near vertical (85deg) flight
angle at a test range on Barbados. This time, the sabot did not fully
separate, damaging the control surfaces, resulting in an uncontrolled
tumbling flight."

Sannu however sheds light on this when he told me last week that
Gerald Bull, the large calibre gun expert, told im that it takes 15 to 20
firings to develop a structurally sound vehicle/sabot combination, and
unfortunately the scramjet team's funding dried up before they got there.
Sounds familiar!

Best reference with lots of details on HARP (not so much the scramjets)
and BIG cannons in general:
"Paris Kanonen - the Paris Guns (Wilhelmgeschutze) and Project HARP"
by: G.V. Bull and C.H. Murphy

PS:
I asked Sannu to write a piece for an aerospace magazine (like Air and Space)
on these efforts. He sounded interested but has 3 papers he's prepping for
presentations next summer to keep him occupied at the moment.

Thanks again Sannu Molder for these excellent photos and associated story !!
 

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Much thanks for your corresponding with S. Molder and posting this.
 
Not sure I've seen this AIAA JSR paper by Amin and Moelder (note spelling if searching, say AIAA) mentioned around here. Performance Comparison of Gun-Launched Scramjets for Various Fuels, v4n8,1967,pp.1089-1091.
 

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Hi,

Yes, I have that paper and I used a few small items from it for my above
post.

Sannu also has done a lot of work (papers) on starting internal compression inlets
and shortening them to minimize drag as well as other aspects.

He and Dave Van Wie also wrote the Busemann inlet design paper, AlAA 92-1210,
used in Hypersonic airbreathing classes, for neophytes like me.
 
shockonlip said:
Best reference with lots of details on HARP (not so much the scramjets)
and BIG cannons in general:
"Paris Kanonen - the Paris Guns (Wilhelmgeschutze) and Project HARP"
by: G.V. Bull and C.H. Murphy

G.V. Bull being Gerald Bull? The legendary gun designer?
 
Not HAARP related but seemed relevant. Scramjet powered round from ATK's site some time ago. Scramfire apparently.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2003/August/Pages/Army_Tests3793.aspx

http://www.sse.gr/NATO/EreunaKaiTexnologiaNATO/37.Educational_notes_and_meeting_proceedings_published_in_2007/RTO-EN-AVT-150/RTO-EN-AVT-150/EN-AVT-150%20Presentations/EN-AVT-150-10-PPT.pdf
 

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Firefly 2 said:
shockonlip said:
Best reference with lots of details on HARP (not so much the scramjets)
and BIG cannons in general:
"Paris Kanonen - the Paris Guns (Wilhelmgeschutze) and Project HARP"
by: G.V. Bull and C.H. Murphy

G.V. Bull being Gerald Bull? The legendary gun designer?

Yes indeed!

These scramjet engines were fired from THAT cannon !
 
Firefly 2 said:
shockonlip said:
Best reference with lots of details on HARP (not so much the scramjets)
and BIG cannons in general:
"Paris Kanonen - the Paris Guns (Wilhelmgeschutze) and Project HARP"
by: G.V. Bull and C.H. Murphy

G.V. Bull being Gerald Bull? The legendary gun designer?

Sorry, was distracted.

Yes, that book was written by the famous G.V. Bull, the legendary gun designer.
You should get a copy, they're out of print and not cheap, but they are out there.
Excellent book if you're into BIG guns !
 
GeorgeA said:
Firefly 2 said:
G.V. Bull being Gerald Bull? The legendary gun designer?

Who died suddenly after a VERY brief illness.

Yes, unfortunately.

These really smart guys like Gerald Bull and Sannu Molder who did these amazing
experiments in the 1960's and 1970's, are like aliens !

Wait! They ARE aliens !

They're from Canada !
 
shockonlip said:
Yes, I have that paper and I used a few small items from it for my above
post.

Sannu also has done a lot of work (papers) on starting internal compression inlets
and shortening them to minimize drag as well as other aspects.

He and Dave Van Wie also wrote the Busemann inlet design paper, AlAA 92-1210,
used in Hypersonic airbreathing classes, for neophytes like me.

The reason I posted it is in another post you mentioned you've only seen the Marlet vehicle mentioned in Waltrup's paper. However, there is also a mention of it in this JSR paper. I've seen all the other papers. IIRC, they also corroborated on a paper for a mass flow measuring technique for use in impulse facilities. I have that paper, just not handy at the moment. The starting paper seems to follow behind the technique employed in partially opened bottomed sidewall/mixed compression inlets, such as the work done at LaRC in the 80s. Smart did the same on the REST inlets. He also did a starting paper on 2-D fixed geometry inlets.
 
DSE said:
The reason I posted it is in another post you mentioned you've only seen the Marlet vehicle mentioned in Waltrup's paper. However, there is also a mention of it in this JSR paper.
...

Thanks!

I appreciate you doing that. Was just trying to mention additional stuff Molder had done.

I should know by now that you probably have all that stuff.
 
sferrin said:
Not HAARP related but seemed relevant. Scramjet powered round from ATK's site some time ago. Scramfire apparently.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2003/August/Pages/Army_Tests3793.aspx

http://www.sse.gr/NATO/EreunaKaiTexnologiaNATO/37.Educational_notes_and_meeting_proceedings_published_in_2007/RTO-EN-AVT-150/RTO-EN-AVT-150/EN-AVT-150%20Presentations/EN-AVT-150-10-PPT.pdf

For the write up on that second presentation see, http://ftp.rta.nato.int/public//PubFullText/RTO/EN/RTO-EN-AVT-150///EN-AVT-150-10.pdf
 
sferrin said:
Not HAARP related but seemed relevant. Scramjet powered round from ATK's site some time ago. Scramfire apparently.
...

Thanks sferrin !

Both are interesting to me.

GASL is Tony Ferri's old Lab.
Did you read about Gruen Labs in the recent Super Hustler piece from Code One Magazine?
Same place !

They have a lot of neat scramjet research equipment there.

I wonder if there is a cheaper way to do it.
 
You'll definitely want to check out the PDF "DSE" posted.
 
Stormbreaker said:
GeorgeA said:
Firefly 2 said:
G.V. Bull being Gerald Bull? The legendary gun designer?

Who died suddenly after a VERY brief illness.

I seem to recall that Gerald Bull was taken out by a Mossad hit squad!

Yeah, the "VERY brief illness" was due to lead poisoning. ;)
 
shockonlip said:
sferrin said:
Not HAARP related but seemed relevant. Scramjet powered round from ATK's site some time ago. Scramfire apparently.
...

Thanks sferrin !

Both are interesting to me.

GASL is Tony Ferri's old Lab.

They have a lot of neat scramjet research equipment there.

I wonder if there is a cheaper way to do it.

FWIW, GASL had been bought and sold many times. The last big propulsion related company to own them before ATK was Aerojet. The problem as a business is the waves of funding related to hypersonics. Very tough from a business sense during the down times. ATK has actually been laying off folks on LI and in FL over the past year or so, iirc. The original complex was in Westbury, NY, now in Ronkonkoma. There has been a long funding relationship with the Hypersonic Propulsion Branch at NASA LaRC and a fair bit of the equipment is GFE, such as HyPulse. LegV/FAST was funded by MSFC under ARTT/ART in NGLT. Initial Mach 4 tests of the LaRC 3-strut scramjet http://hapb-www.larc.nasa.gov/Public/Engines/3-strut/3-strut.html were done in the Westbury combustion heated facility as documented in, Initial Wind Tunnel Tests at Mach 4 and 7 of a Hydrogen-Burning, Airframe-Integrated Scramjet, Guy, R. W. and Mackley, E. A., AIAA 79-7045, 4th International Symposium on Air Breathing Engines, April 1-6, 1979, Orlando, FL. http://hapb-www.larc.nasa.gov/Public/Documents/AIAA-1979-7045.pdf
 
DSE said:
shockonlip said:
sferrin said:
Not HAARP related but seemed relevant. Scramjet powered round from ATK's site some time ago. Scramfire apparently.
...

Thanks sferrin !

Both are interesting to me.

GASL is Tony Ferri's old Lab.

They have a lot of neat scramjet research equipment there.

I wonder if there is a cheaper way to do it.

FWIW, GASL had been bought and sold many times. The last big propulsion related company to own them before ATK was Aerojet. The problem as a business is the waves of funding related to hypersonics. Very tough from a business sense during the down times. ATK has actually been laying off folks on LI and in FL over the past year or so, iirc. The original complex was in Westbury, NY, now in Ronkonkoma. There has been a long funding relationship with the Hypersonic Propulsion Branch at NASA LaRC and a fair bit of the equipment is GFE, such as HyPulse. LegV/FAST was funded by MSFC under ARTT/ART in NGLT. Initial Mach 4 tests of the LaRC 3-strut scramjet http://hapb-www.larc.nasa.gov/Public/Engines/3-strut/3-strut.html were done in the Westbury combustion heated facility as documented in, Initial Wind Tunnel Tests at Mach 4 and 7 of a Hydrogen-Burning, Airframe-Integrated Scramjet, Guy, R. W. and Mackley, E. A., AIAA 79-7045, 4th International Symposium on Air Breathing Engines, April 1-6, 1979, Orlando, FL. http://hapb-www.larc.nasa.gov/Public/Documents/AIAA-1979-7045.pdf

Yes, but it is Tony Ferri's old Lab and there is definitely that tradition there that
they honor, or at least did in the past (not that long ago) when I interacted with
some of their people. As Ferri becomes more of a distant memory maybe that tradition
will decrease, but I hope not.
 
shockonlip said:
Yes, but it is Tony Ferri's old Lab and there is definitely that tradition there that
they honor, or at least did in the past (not that long ago) when I interacted with
some of their people. As Ferri becomes more of a distant memory maybe that tradition
will decrease, but I hope not.

When I first went there in '88 they still had an old designer Tony Romano who had worked at Republic for years. He was quite a character and had a young Tony Castrogiovanni under his tutelage as a fresh out. Old school, full size pencil drawings of hardware. Brings the smell of blue lines to mind. :) Castrogiovanni eventually went on to become the Big Kahuna at GASL, then an ATK VP out west. Now he's off running his own small company back on LI. That's a loss still felt.
 
airrocket said:
I LIKE!!!!!

Welcome back airrocket !
I haven't seen you around for awhile.
Thanks for the tip on Sannu Molder !
I wish he was still teaching!
 
airrocket said:
DCR appears to build on Billig concept from way back.

Actually, the DCR concept of split inlets feeding separate GG and scramjet combustors was Jim Kersey's, not Billig's. He was still involved with the program through at least for some of the full scale freejet propulsion tests conducted.

I just recently came back across a reference for this, but it alludes my memory at the moment. I'll come back and add it when it comes to me, unless someone esle beats me to the punch.
 
DSE said:
airrocket said:
DCR appears to build on Billig concept from way back.

Actually, the DCR concept of split inlets feeding separate GG and scramjet combustors was Jim Kersey's, not Billig's. He was still involved with the program through at least for some of the full scale freejet propulsion tests conducted.

I just recently came back across a reference for this, but it alludes my memory at the moment. I'll come back and add it when it comes to me, unless someone esle beats me to the punch.

Yes, DSE, DCR or Dual Combustor Ramjet, is attributed to Keirsey.
But Keirsey was working at JH-APL at the time, in the early 1970's.

"A Century of Ramjet Propulsion Technology Evolution:
Ronald S. Fry
"James Keirsey of Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Laboratory (JHU/APL)
invented the DCR cycle in the early 1970s."
http://ae-www.technion.ac.il/~ae086414/history.pdf
 
shockonlip said:
DSE said:
airrocket said:
DCR appears to build on Billig concept from way back.

Actually, the DCR concept of split inlets feeding separate GG and scramjet combustors was Jim Kersey's, not Billig's. He was still involved with the program through at least for some of the full scale freejet propulsion tests conducted.

I just recently came back across a reference for this, but it alludes my memory at the moment. I'll come back and add it when it comes to me, unless someone esle beats me to the punch.

Yes, DSE, DCR or Dual Combustor Ramjet, is attributed to Keirsey.
But Keirsey was working at JH-APL at the time, in the early 1970's.

"A Century of Ramjet Propulsion Technology Evolution:
Ronald S. Fry
"James Keirsey of Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Laboratory (JHU/APL)
invented the DCR cycle in the early 1970s."
http://ae-www.technion.ac.il/~ae086414/history.pdf

Of course he was at JHU-APL, So were Paul Waltrup, Dick Orth and quite a few others. I was just pointing out that DCR wasn't Billig's idea.
 
shockonlip said:
DSE said:
airrocket said:
DCR appears to build on Billig concept from way back.

Actually, the DCR concept of split inlets feeding separate GG and scramjet combustors was Jim Kersey's, not Billig's. He was still involved with the program through at least for some of the full scale freejet propulsion tests conducted.

I just recently came back across a reference for this, but it alludes my memory at the moment. I'll come back and add it when it comes to me, unless someone esle beats me to the punch.

Yes, DSE, DCR or Dual Combustor Ramjet, is attributed to Keirsey.
But Keirsey was working at JH-APL at the time, in the early 1970's.

"A Century of Ramjet Propulsion Technology Evolution:
Ronald S. Fry
"James Keirsey of Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Laboratory (JHU/APL)
invented the DCR cycle in the early 1970s."
http://ae-www.technion.ac.il/~ae086414/history.pdf

Well, that must be the cite to Keirsey that I remember, but not the paper I was thinking about. That was The Dual Combustor Ramjet: A Versatile Propulsion System for Hypersonic Tactical Missile Applications , by Paul Waltrup, AGARD CP-526, that I came across again last week looking through one of my "stacks." This paper by Waltrup make no mention of Keirsey.
 
sferrin said:
Not HAARP related but seemed relevant. Scramjet powered round from ATK's site some time ago. Scramfire apparently.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2003/August/Pages/Army_Tests3793.aspx

http://www.sse.gr/NATO/EreunaKaiTexnologiaNATO/37.Educational_notes_and_meeting_proceedings_published_in_2007/RTO-EN-AVT-150/RTO-EN-AVT-150/EN-AVT-150%20Presentations/EN-AVT-150-10-PPT.pdf

Some additional info:
 

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What a beauty! I have never seen such a beautiful artillery projectile like this before. A treasure that deserved to be preserved.
 
Three landmark documents related to Gerald Bull research, 1964-1967. Two technical documents, the 1967 one having all the numbers and diagrams to set the record straight, once and for all (unlike Astronautix, which gaves too much credits to legends rather than basic facts).

The special study one, is the exact moment when Bull gun research was reviewed by the Canadian government, also in 1967. TBH, they picked the Black Brant sounding rocket as a more realistic option for suborbital. And for orbital, they had no real interest. In passing, Chapman was a well-respected scientist that also dreamed of orbit, with scaled-up four stages Black Brant XII boosters not unlike Scouts.
 

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I've just found this astonishing document... fasten your seatbelts : scramjet suborbital ASAT shot from a standard Iowa 16-inch gun ! To kill all those pesky Soviet satellites - US-A and US-P tracking USN warships at sea.

My mind is completely blown.
 

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