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pometablava said:A lot of info about Sikorsky X-Wing projects in last APR issue...
Jemiba said:Can't tell if this design from Aviation Week 9/1977 is just an example, what
an X-wing aircraft could look like, or if it was a real project, no company is
mentioned in the caption.
amsci99 said:I remember the Sikorsky X-Wing/S-72 demonstrator from 1986 which was featured heavily in both the print and mass media and the graphics explaining its' blown air circulation system employed during transition to forward flight. Don't know whether it is the same circulation system employed in the X-51 CRW, now that CRW is cancelled, there's no more whispercraft in the horizon and warp speed is definitely very, very far away.
F-14D said:amsci99 said:I remember the Sikorsky X-Wing/S-72 demonstrator from 1986 which was featured heavily in both the print and mass media and the graphics explaining its' blown air circulation system employed during transition to forward flight. Don't know whether it is the same circulation system employed in the X-51 CRW, now that CRW is cancelled, there's no more whispercraft in the horizon and warp speed is definitely very, very far away.
Remember, the S-72 with the X-Wing never flew. Even if it had, there was no intention of trying a transition as the technology to do so was not there and it would be too dangerous. The circulation system was the part that required the incredibly complex control system. If you look at transition step by step and what's involved, you'll see one of the big reasons the concept went nowhere.
As far as "whispercraft" go, if there's one thing an X-Wing wouldn't be, it wouldn't be quiet. It would be much noisier than conventional helos.
Regarding warp speed, not sure I follow. Remember, X-Wing would cruise slower than a Tilt-Rotor. CCRW (you accidentally dropped a "C"--it's Circulation Controlled Rotary Wing) was the underlying idea behind X-Wing. X-51, though, is a scramjet waverider demonstrator.
amsci99 said:F-14D said:amsci99 said:I remember the Sikorsky X-Wing/S-72 demonstrator from 1986 which was featured heavily in both the print and mass media and the graphics explaining its' blown air circulation system employed during transition to forward flight. Don't know whether it is the same circulation system employed in the X-51 CRW, now that CRW is cancelled, there's no more whispercraft in the horizon and warp speed is definitely very, very far away.
Remember, the S-72 with the X-Wing never flew. Even if it had, there was no intention of trying a transition as the technology to do so was not there and it would be too dangerous. The circulation system was the part that required the incredibly complex control system. If you look at transition step by step and what's involved, you'll see one of the big reasons the concept went nowhere.
As far as "whispercraft" go, if there's one thing an X-Wing wouldn't be, it wouldn't be quiet. It would be much noisier than conventional helos.
Regarding warp speed, not sure I follow. Remember, X-Wing would cruise slower than a Tilt-Rotor. CCRW (you accidentally dropped a "C"--it's Circulation Controlled Rotary Wing) was the underlying idea behind X-Wing. X-51, though, is a scramjet waverider demonstrator.
F-14D,
Thanks for your insight and enjoyed your posts tremendously. Actually I was referring to the X-50 CRW (Canard Rotor Wing) and not the X-51. I apologise for the typo. In essence, I was lamenting that we would not be seeing a 'Whispercraft' type CRW rotorcraft as seen in the sci-fi movie 'The Sixth Day' now that CRW has been cancelled. That part about warp drive was about my disappointment with the current state of technology and it's inability to resolve complex engineering problems which inadvertably means that warp drive technology is a long way off.
Hi,hesham said:Hi,
the Sikorsky X-wing aircraft with a fans in the wings.
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1986/1986%20-%201771.pdf
Wembley said:I read somewhere ages ago that there was a Black Sikorsky X-wing project which was much bigger than the official one -- but I've never seen anything to back this.
Anyone else heard of this, or was it a myth?
overscan said:Slightly clearer copy of pic.
Orionblamblam said:overscan said:Slightly clearer copy of pic.
Oh, if only there was a place to go to get high quality, full-color versions of this artwork, along with detailed layout drawings and dimensions and discussion of this and other X-Wing design concepts. Wail at the lack of such a ready source, at a reasonable price!
Oh, wait.
http://www.up-ship.com/eAPR/index.htm#V5N6
Remko said:Exactly the reason why I have emailed Scott to order this volume!!;D
Orionblamblam said:overscan said:Slightly clearer copy of pic.
Oh, if only there was a place to go to get high quality, full-color versions of this artwork, along with detailed layout drawings and dimensions and discussion of this and other X-Wing design concepts. Wail at the lack of such a ready source, at a reasonable price!
Oh, wait.
http://www.up-ship.com/eAPR/index.htm#V5N6
hesham said:Hi,
and anther Sikorsky-Boeing Vertol X-wing project.
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1982/1982%20-%200655.pdf
F-14D said:amsci99 said:I remember the Sikorsky X-Wing/S-72 demonstrator from 1986 which was featured heavily in both the print and mass media and the graphics explaining its' blown air circulation system employed during transition to forward flight. Don't know whether it is the same circulation system employed in the X-51 CRW, now that CRW is cancelled, there's no more whispercraft in the horizon and warp speed is definitely very, very far away.
Remember, the S-72 with the X-Wing never flew. Even if it had, there was no intention of trying a transition as the technology to do so was not there and it would be too dangerous. The circulation system was the part that required the incredibly complex control system. If you look at transition step by step and what's involved, you'll see one of the big reasons the concept went nowhere.
As far as "whispercraft" go, if there's one thing an X-Wing wouldn't be, it wouldn't be quiet. It would be much noisier than conventional helos.
Regarding warp speed, not sure I follow. Remember, X-Wing would cruise slower than a Tilt-Rotor. CCRW (you accidentally dropped a "C"--it's Circulation Controlled Rotary Wing) was the underlying idea behind X-Wing. X-51, though, is a scramjet waverider demonstrator.
quellish said:Orionblamblam said:overscan said:Slightly clearer copy of pic.
Oh, if only there was a place to go to get high quality, full-color versions of this artwork, along with detailed layout drawings and dimensions and discussion of this and other X-Wing design concepts. Wail at the lack of such a ready source, at a reasonable price!
Oh, wait.
http://www.up-ship.com/eAPR/index.htm#V5N6
If Figure 14 and SENIOR PROM had a shotgun wedding... they would have to raise the offspring in the desert.
Orionblamblam said:It looks good, but I can't tell if that's a factory model or a "hand-made with Asian slave labor from gen-u-wine Philipine mahogany" wonder. It's surrounded by a whole lot of the latter:
http://lloydralstontoys.com/jan10/jan10lots3.html
Orionblamblam said:It looks good, but I can't tell if that's a factory model or a "hand-made with Asian slave labor from gen-u-wine Philipine mahogany" wonder. It's surrounded by a whole lot of the latter:
http://lloydralstontoys.com/jan10/jan10lots3.html