CANT and CRDA list

Hi,

CNT-I ----?
CNT-II was seaplane for Schneider Cup racer.
CNT-3 ----?
CNT-4 ----?
CNT-5 ----?
CANT-6 was three-engine biplane flying boat.
CANT-7 was single-engined training flying boat biplane.
CANT-8 ----?
CANT-9 ----?
CANT-10 was twin-engined flying boat airliner biplane.
CANT-11 was seaplane built for the Schneider Cup racer of 1924.
CANT-12 was single-engined seaplane biplane.
CANT-13 was single-engined two-seat amphibian biplane.
CANT-14 to CANT-17 ----?
CANT-18 was single-engined seaplane for advanced trainer.
CANT-19 ----?
CANT-20 was a biplane flying boat,led to develop CANT-25
CANT-21 was reconnaissance flying boat, similar to CANT 10 and 13.
CANT-22 was three-engined airliner seaplane.
CANT-23 was landing airliner aircraft.
CANT-24 -----?
CANT-25 was shipboard single-seat biplane flying boat fighter.
CANT-26 was two-seat biplane landing trainer.
CANT-27 was commercial transport seaplane flying boat.
CANT-28 to CANT-34 ----?
CANT-35 was seaplane reconnaissance and bomber lightweight biplane.
CANT-36 was a biplane advanced trainer.
CANT-37 was developed from CANT-35.
CANT-38 was seaplane biplane reconnaissance and light bomber.

CRDA seaplanes;

Z-501 was single-engined parasol-wing seaplane reconnaissance and
bomber.
Z-502 & Z-503 were developed from Z-501 (not sure).
Z-504 was shipboard reconnaissance biplane flying boat.
Z-505 was mail seaplane.
Z-506 was seaplane reconnaissance and bomber developed from
Z-505.
Z-507 was a torpedo bomber version of Z-506.
Z-508 was three-engined seaplane reconnaissance and bomber.
Z-509 was was a three-engine Italian floatplane developed from
the Z.506A for use as a mailplane.
Z-510 was twin engined reconnaissance/bomber floatplane project.
Z-511 was a four-engine long-range seaplane airliner.
Z-512 was strategic Bomber Flying Boat.
Z-513 ----?
Z-514 was a floatplane version of Z-1018 bomber.
Z-515 was twin-engined reconnaissance seaplane.
Z-516 was a seaplane bomber.

CRDA land planes;

Z-1001 ----?
Z-1002 ----?
Z-1003 was three engined airliner project.
Z-1004 was three engined airliner project.
Z-1005 was three engined bomber project.
Z-1006 ----?
Z-1007 was three-engined medium bomber.
Z-1008 was developed from Z-1007bis as a bomber also,with four engined,project.
Z-1009 ----?
Z-1010 was four-passenger high-wing light transport monoplane.
Z-1011 was a twin engined low-wing bomber/transport aircraft.
Z-1012 was three-engined low-wing airliner monoplane.
Z-1013 ----?
Z-1014 was four-engined long range heavy bomber.
Z-1015 was all-metal bomber version of Z-1007.
Z-1016 was a proposed single engine derivative of the Z-1015.
Z-1017 was three engined torpedo bomber developed from Z-1015.
Z-1018 was twin-engined medium bomber.

hesham said:

Z-1015 was all-metal bomber version of Z-1007.

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No.
Z-1015 was initially a civil derivative of the Z-1007: a long-range, high-speed mailplane. It was designed for regular postal flights between Italy and South America. The wings etc. were taken from Z-1007, only fuselage was new - smaller, aerodynamically faired as much as possible. Z-1015 was made of wood, as well as its progenitor.

The only Z-1015 prototype was flown on January 20, 1939 by Mario Stoppani. Initially it was powered by the same engines as Z-1007: three Piaggio P-XI, 1000 hp each. But at that time a new engine was successfully tested by Piaggio company - P-XII RC-35, delivering 1500 hp power. The CANT company managed to obtain three of them from pre-series production, and mount them on Z-1015 instead of P-XI. With new engines and new D'Ascanio variable-pitch propellers, Z-1015 reached 557 km/h at 4500 m altitude - excellent result.

But in 1940 Italy was engaged into war, and pure civil Z-1015 became inactual. But its performance intrigued the Air Force: they borrowed the prototype, repainted it into camouflage, assigned serial number MM512 to it and transmit it to Gorizia, where torpedo bombing training center was placed. Z-1015 lost some internal fuel tanks and obtained external crunches for torpedo instead, but any defensive weapon wasn't installed. So, it became an unarmed torpedo bomber!

The tests indicated that Z-1015 could drop a torpedo from 100 m altitude on 425 km/h speed, which was favourable speed for smooth submersion of the torpedo and its targeting. Generally, Z-1015 was better than production SM.79 torpedo bomber; but even to produce appropriate numbers of existing aircraft types was difficult for Italian industry, and they decided not to put Z-1015 into production.

Technical data:
Wing span - 24.8 m
Length - 18.14 m
Wing area - 75.0 m2
Takeoff weight: 13 615 kg (civil version), 15 014 kg (military version)
Powerplant: 3x Piaggio P-XII RC-35, 18-cylinder double radials, 1500 hp each
Crew - 4
Maximum speed - 557 km/h (4500 m altitude)
Flight range - 2982 km

Source: V. Nĕmeček. CANT Z-1015 / Letectvi+Kosmonautika (L+K), No.11/1978. The drawing is by Stanislav Smékal; the color profile from L+K No.15/1978 is by Miroslav Balous.

Hi,


also in the site about Z-1007,they spoke about Z-1004 project as a three seat landplane,
may be version of Z-506,and Z-1005 as attack aircraft project,any confirm for this.


http://www.afwing.com/intro/z.1007_alcione/z.1007_Alcione-1.htm

hesham said:

Hi,


also in the site about Z-1007,they spoke about Z-1004 project as a three seat landplane,
may be version of Z-506,and Z-1005 as attack aircraft project,any confirm for this.


http://www.afwing.com/intro/z.1007_alcione/z.1007_Alcione-1.htm

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Some explanations;


Z-1003 was three engined airliner project
Z-1004 was also three engined airliner project
Z-1005 was three engined bomber project
Z-1008 was four engined bomber project

Hi,


the C.S.6 was a prototype of 1924,intended as multi-engine torpedo bomber
flying boat.

hesham said:

the C.S.6 was a prototype of 1924,intended as multi-engine torpedo bomber
flying boat.

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Here is a drawing for it;


http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/libri/PDF_Libri_By_AVIA/Aeronautica%20-%20L'Aviazione%20nell'Auto%20Italiana.pdf

Hi,


here is a rare 3-view drawings to Z.1010,Z,1011 & Z-1012 aircraft;


http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/libri/PDF_Libri_By_AVIA/Cento_aeroplani_e_un_grande_cuore.pdf

Hi,


here is a rare 3-view to CANT-23,also with rare picture to CANT-38.


http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/libri/PDF_Libri_By_AVIA/Aviazione%20-%20Fraschini%20I..pdf

Hi,

Cant-27 was a commercial transport seaplane of 1928,powered by one 500 ho
Asso engine.

Below is my version of a CNT/CANT designation list. It adds some details but no new model numbers to Hesham's list.

I have put in holding numbers for Models I/1, III/3 through V/5. I strongly suspect that designations such as 'CNT-I/CNT-1', 'CNT-III/CNT-3', 'CNT-IV/CNT-4', and 'CNT-V/CNT-5' are unicorns.

The original designation of the CNT-II/CNT-2 racers was D.G.A.3 (being designed by Alessandro Guidoni, director of the Direzione Superiore del Genio e delle Costruzioni Aeronautiche del Ministero dell’Aeronautica). If others of those unaccounted for 'designations' also sprang from outside designers, likely they initially had non-standard designation applied too.

Air History lists three "CNT Cant 3" (I-AAKX c/n 191, I-AAKJ c/n 192, and I-AAKY c/n 193 going to SISA at Portorose in 1930, then to the Regia Aeronautica in 1933). All of these 'CNT Cant 3s' seem to actually be CANT 18s.

The prototype of what became the CNT 6 was designated CS 6 (for CNT Silurante 6). So, a role suffix letter following 'C' for CNT. Other designs from Raffaele Conflenti among those unaccounted for 'designations' likely followed suit. Designation like 'CNT-I' or 'CNT-5' might have been applied retroactively (if at all).

Some 'missing designations' might be accounted for by the SIAI S.55 and S.59bis built under license by CANT in 1927-1932.
There is also an odd reference to a 'CANT 65 Mk.11' mentioned as a contemorary of the CANT 22 in 'Tre Motore Italiano' by Franco Bugada, RC Model World, May 2014, pg 83. "Between 1928 and 1932, SISA substituted their aircraft by using the three-engined CANT 65 Mk.11, CANT 22 and 22R1." http://www.idromodelli.it/Model_World.pdf

CNT and CANT designations are seen with hyphens and periods but I've written them with a space (which seems to have been the contemporary CNT/CANT practice). Some sources use 'NC' as if it were a designation - eg: NC.40 for the CANT 6ter, I-ONIO. Of course, 'NC' simply stands for Numero Costruzione.

First some corporate stuff ...
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Cantieri Navali Triestini (CNT)

1908 - Cantiere Navale Triestino established by the Cosulich family at Monfalcone
- In full, the 'Cantiere navale triestino di Monfalcone', a joint stock company

1921 - owners of CNT enter aviation business, establishing SISA
- Società Italiana Servizi Aerei was an air taxi/airline/seaplane training school

1923 - Officine Aeronautiche del CNT workshop established (within CNT Monfalcone yard)
- Ing. Raffaele Conflenti, Aeronautical Technical Manager
-- Conflenti, who came from CAMS in France, was earlier at SIAI
- Ing. Filippo Zappata, Technical and Experimental Division Manager

1924 - Aircraft production begins with D.G.A.3 and CS 6/CNT 6

1926 - CNT becomes Cantieri Aeronautici e Navali Triestini (CANT)
- Ing. Filippo Zappata leaves CANT for Blériot Aéronautique in France

1930 - Cantieri Riuniti dell'Adriatico (CRDA, United Adriatic Shipbuilding)
- 18 Sept 1930: CRDA was CNT merged with Stabilimento Tecnico Triestino

1932 - Raffaele Conflenti leaves for airline, Società Aerea Mediterranea (SAM)
- NB: Conflenti did not join Aeronautica Caproni as designer until 1936

1933 - CRDA compulsory acquired by state/public holding company IRI
- Istituto per la Ricostruzione Industriale/Inst. for Industrial Reconstruction
- Zappata returns as chief designer (persuaded by Marshall Italo Balbo)

1933-34 new designation sequence with 'Z' for Zappata
- Z.5xx desig. for seaplanes (first applied to 1934 Z.501 flying boat)
- Z.1xxx designations for land a/c (1st applied to Z-1003 airliner?)

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Cantieri (Aeronautici e) Navali Triestini Designation

Cantieri Navali Triestini - CNT Aircraft Designations

1 ---- [??]

CNT II - 1924 biplane flying boat racer,* aka CNT 2, x 2
- CNT II: 1 x 465 hp (type) V-12 mounted above top wing
-- Designed by Alessandro Guidoni for 1925 Schneider Cup
-- Orig. desig. D.G.A.3, both prototype racers sank
-- https://web.archive.org/web/2015022...zione_it.php?&content_type=aereo&goto_id=4387

3 ---- [??]
4 ---- [??]
5 ---- [??]

CNT 6 - 1924 trimotor biplane torpedo bomber, span 22.11 m
- CNT 6: 3 x 400 hp Lorraine-Dietrich 12Db V-12s, crew 3
-- aka CS 6 (CNT Silurante 6), entered service 1926, x 9
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/fotoaerei/Cant6/01Cant6.jpg
-- http://forum.valka.cz/attachments/217/Italy1923Cant6-a.jpg
- CNT 6bis: 1925 revised push-pull, 2 x LD 12Db, x 1
-- CNT 6bis revision designed by Ing. Filippo Zappata
-- 1 x re-eng. (MM.45035) with 510 hp I-F Asso 500 V-12s
--

http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/fotoaerei/Cant6/03Cant6.jpg

Cantieri Aeronautici e Navali Triestini - CANT Designations


CANT 6ter - 1925-26 tractor trimotor biplane flying boat
- CANT 6ter: 11 pax CNT 6 airliner. of devel, span 22.11 m
-- CANT 6ter had equal-span single-bay wings, cruciform tail
- CANT 6 ter: 3 x 500 hp I-F Asso 500,* span 23.20 m
-- * 27.71L water-cooled V-12 (bore 140 mm x stroke 150 mm)
-- http://forum.valka.cz/attachments/11102/Cant6-ter-1926.jpg

CANT 7 -- 1924 single-engined pusher biplane flying boat
- CANT 7 : 2-seat military* flying boat trainer, x 34
-- * Developed for Società Italiana Servizi Aerei (SISA)
- CANT 7 : 1 x 160 hp I-F V.4e 6-cyl, span 11.80 m, x 13
- CANT 7bis : 1 x 250 hp I-F V.6 7.4L 6-cyl, x 5
- CANT 7ter: 1 x 250 hp SPA 6A or I-F Asso 200,** x 15
-- ** 14.78L inline 6-cyl (bore 140 mm x stroke 160 mm)
-- Original desig. CNT 7, CANT 7 design led to CANT 12

CANT 8 -- [??]
CANT 9 -- [??]

CANT 10 - 1925 single-engined pusher biplane flying boat
- CANT 10 : 1 x 300 hp Fiat A.12bis 6-cyl, span varies*
- CANT 10bis : 1 x 400 hp Lorraine-Dietrich 12 Db V-12
- CANT 10ter : 1 x 500 hp I-F Asso 500 27.71L V-12
-- CANT 10ter for the Aviación Naval Paraguaya
- CANT 10ter2: Passenger airliner, front cabin
- CANT 10 M : Militarized vers. of CANT 10ter, x 1
-- aka CANT 10 M.Ri (Militare Ricognizione)
-- Wing spans for diff. models 13.10 m to 15.15 m

CANT 11 - (Project) Single-engined biplane seaplane racer
- CANT 11: For participation in 1924 Schneider Trophy race

CANT 12 - 1926 maritime recce flying boat, CANT 7 devel.*
- CANT 12: 1 x 250 hp I-F V.6 6-cyl pusher, span ??
-- * Longer span, 3 crew, 1 x for Regia Marina (I-ODEF)
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/fotoaerei/Cant12/02Cant12.jpg

CANT 13 - 1925 pusher biplane flying boat amphibian
- CANT 13: 1 x 400 hp Lorraine Dietrich 12Db, span ??
-- 2 x prototypes (MM.52 'Naviplano' and MM.53)
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/fotoaerei/Cant13/03Cant13.jpg
- CANT 13bis: [Project] 1 x 510 hp I-F Asso 500 V-12

CANT 14 - [??]
CANT 15 - [??]
CANT 16 - [??]
CANT 17 - [??]

CANT 18 - 1926 single-engined pusher biplane flying boat, x 26
- CANT 18 : Aerobatic, 1 x 250 hp I-F Asso 200, span 10.50 m
- CANT 18bis: 2-seat prod'n vers., 1 x 250 hp I-F Asso 200
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/fotoaerei/Cant18/02Cant18.jpg
- CANT 18 ??: 1930 Uruguay navy vers., I-F Asso 200, x 2
- CANT 18ter: 2-seat fighter vers., 1 x 410 hp Fiat A.20, x 1

CANT 19 - [??]

CANT 20 - [??]
- CANT 20: Possibly early '20s prototype for CANT 25*
-- See Stargazer's reply #45
-- * Wikipedia.de entry may also be a simple typo
-- See Maveric's reply #47

CANT 21 - 1926 single-engined recce-bomber biplane flying boat
- CANT 21 : 1 x 500 hp I-F Asso 500 pusher, span 16.00 m, x 2
- CANT 21bis: Mod. vers., 1 x I-F Asso 500Ri, x 1 (MM.145)
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/cant21.html

CANT 22 - 1928 tractor trimotor sesquiplane flying boat*
-- * Commercial transport, consid. CANT 6ter replacement
- CANT 22 : Warren truss wing/float bracing, span 21.20 m
-- Prototype 'San Giusto' (I-AABM) 1st flight March 1928
- CANT 22 : Prototype & 1st 2, 3 x 510 hp I-F Asso 500
- CANT 22R1: 1 x 510 hp I-F Asso 500, 2 x 250 hp Asso 200

CANT 23 - [Project] 1932* trimotor biplane airliner, x 1
- CANT 23: (Planned) 3 x 250 hp I-F Asso 200, span 21.00 m
- CANT 23: (Built) 1 x 510 hp Asso 500, 2 x 250 hp Asso 200
-- * Construction actually began in 1927, based on CANT 22
-- 1 built (I-ABLA), CANT 23 program abandoned 05 Jan 1933
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/cant23.html

CANT 24 - [??]

CANT 25 - 1927 biplane shipboard fighter flying boat,* x 39
- CANT 25 : CANT 18 deriv., 1 x 410 hp Fiat A.20 V-12
-- * Shipboard fighter aboard Condottieri light cruisers
- CANT 25 : 1927 first prototype (MM.126), span 12.00 m
- CANT 25 : 1929 civil vers. (I-AAKZ for SISA), Asso 200
- CANT 25M: 1929 3rd prototype (MM.159), remov. wings, x 1
- CANT 25M: Prod'n vers., as per 2nd prototype, x 14**
-- ** Sources vary, Giemmesesto list only 8 x '25M Serie I°
- CANT 25 : 1931 4th prototype (MM.160), minor changes
- CANT 25 : 1932 5th prototype (MM.189), sesquiplane
- CANT 25AR:*** 1933, 440 hp Fiat A.20, folding wings, x 18
-- *** 'Ali Ripiegabili', straight struts repl. Warren truss
-- 6 x 25AR Serie II°, 6 x Serie III°, 6 x Serie IV°
-- 25 surviving 'idrocaccia' used as pilot trainers
-- https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c4/9c/24/c49c24579d91897a2e2c9fea48b58342.jpg
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/cant25.html
-- http://www.marina.difesa.it/storiacultura/storia/almanacco/Pagine/aviazione/crda_cant25.aspx

CANT 26 - 1928 single-engined 2-seat biplane trainer, x 8
- CANT 26: Tractor engine (various types),* span 10.70 m
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/fotoaerei/Cant26/2Cant26.jpg
- CANT 26 idro: Standard CANT 26 fitted with twin floats
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/fotoaerei/Cant26/4Cant26.jpg
-- * Standard: 90 hp Fiat A.50 air-cooled 7-cyl radial
-- * 90 hp Colombo S.53 air-cooled 4-cyl inline (MM.138)
-- * 110 hp I-F Asso 80Ri air-cooled 6-cyl inline (I-AAPO)
-- * 85 hp ADC Cirrus-Hermes II air-cooled 4-cyl (I-AAPV)
-- Flight, 8 Aug 1929, has the CANT 26 with a 80 hp I-F
-- https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1929/1929-1 - 0703.html

CANT 27 - 1928 commercial transport seaplane
- CANT 27: 1 x 500 hp I-F Asso 500
--

http://www.naviearmatori.net/albums/userpics/11615/1444169401.jpg

-- Image claims to be of CANT 27 (looks very much like CANT 7ter)

CANT-28 - [??]
CANT-29 - [??]
CANT-30 - [??]
CANT-31 - [??]
CANT-32 - [??]
CANT-33 - [??]
CANT-34 - [??]

CANT 35 - 1932 3-seat single-engined recce biplane, x 1
- CANT 35: Flying boat (CANT 21 devel, led to CANT 37)
- CANT 35: 1 x 510 hp I-F Asso 500 V-12,* span 14.29 m
-- Prototype (MM.154) shipboard a/c, removable wings
-- * Planned 1 x 440 hp I-F Asso Caccia air-cooled V-12

CANT 36 - 1931 2-seat biplane advanced trainer, span 10.50 m, x 1
CANT 36: MM.148, wooden constr., 1 x 250 hp I-F Asso 200 6-cyl
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/cant36.html

CANT 37 - 1932 3-seat single-engined recce biplane, x 1
- CANT 37: Flying boat, CANT 35 devel with folding wings
- CANT 35: 1 x 400 hp I-F Asso 500 V-12, span 16.60 m
-- Prototype (MM.158) shipboard a/c, crew 3, w/o 1933
-- http://www.giemmesesto.org/Documentazione/Aerei/fotoaerei/Cant37/3Cant37.jpg

CANT 38 - [Project] 193? single-engined biplane flying boat
- CANT 38 : 1 x 520 hp I-F Asso 500 tractor, span 16.00 m
-- CANT 38 naval recce-light bomber, CANT 21bis update

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Excellent work my dear Apophenia.

Enrico Cernuschi and Vincent O'Hara's article on Italian aircraft carrier design ("Search for a Flattop: The Italian Navy and the Aircraft Carrier 1907-2007") in Warship 2007 has this description of an unbuilt spinoff of the CANT Z.1012 on page 70:

"[The end of the war in Ethiopia removed the urgent need for an Italian aircraft carrier and] also ended hopes for the 14,000t carrier [design], which was cancelled despite the order already placed for the fighters (the Caproni Ca.165 biplane) and the torpedo-bomber (a single-engined, more powerful Isotta Fraschini version of the little Cant. Z.1012 which, at least in theory, had performance characteristics analogous to the Japanese Nakajima 'Kate')."

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Many thanks for this Info Sherman.

The Cant Z-1005 bomber (never built) can be considered an embrional forerunner of the Cant Z-1007 ?
In my humble opionion, yes, since both aircraft were bombers and had three Isotta Fraschini Asso engines, moreover the same bomb load (500 kg).
The strange feature of the Cant Z-1005 was the installation of a fixed machine gun on each wing root, firing forward.
Are there somewhere some drawings of the Cant Z-1005 ?
Thank you

No,unfortunately there is not drawing for it Carlo.

Hi,

was that an Info about Z-1017,or it was a misprint.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201941%20010.pdf

Misprint...the Picture say Z.1007bis, in the article Z.1107 and you Z.1017

A stab at the 'Z' designation series ...

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CANT 'Z.5xx' Designations - Filippo Zappata Seaplanes

Z.501 - 1934 single-engined parasol flying boat, x 455
- Z.501 prototype (I-AGIL): 1 x 750 hp I-F Asso 750R
- Z.501 prod'n (I) : 1 x I-F Asso 750R, span 22.50 m
- Z.501 prod'n (II): 1 x 900 hp I-F Asso XI RC.15

Z.502 - (??) no details, possibly a Z.501 development

Z.503 - (??) no details, possibly a Z.501 development

Z.504 - 1934 biplanes shipboard recce flying boat, x 1
- Z.504: 1 x 610 hp Piaggio P.IX R.C.40, span 12.00 m
-- Z.504 failed to win contract, used as civil trainer
-- http://forum.valka.cz/topic/view/69786/CANT-Z-504
-- http://www.samolotypolskie.pl/uploads/Products/product_625/preview_cant-z-504_src_1.jpg

Z.505 - 1935 trimotor, twin-float passenger seaplane, x 1
- Z.505: 3 x 840 hp I-F Asso XI R2C.16, span 28.30 m
-- Z.505 prototype underpowered, crew 4 + up to 8 pax
-- http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cw1/z505.html

Z.506 - 1935 transport/bomber twin-float seaplane, x 356
- Z.506 : 1935 Airone, 12-14 pax transport, span 26.50 m
-- Z.506 prototype: 3 x 610 hp Piaggio Stella IX radials
- Z.506A: 1936 prod'n transport, 2 x 750 hp A-R 126 RC.34
- Z.506B: 1939 recce-bomber, 2 x 750 hp A-R 127 RC.55s
- Z.506C: Civil version,* Z.506B tailplane, A-R 126 RC.10
-- * Some Z.506A conv., most Z.506C are new-builds
- Z.506S: Soccorso, air-sea rescue vers. of Z.506B
- Z.506T: Terrestre, landplane conv., x 1 (I-POLA)
-- Z.506T converted for endurance record, not used
-- Z.506T: http://www.virtualcorsair.fr/flotte/506_t01-1.jpg
-- 3v: http://drawingdatabase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/z506_d1.gif

Z.507 - [Project] 193? torpedo-bomber Z-506B deriv.

Z.508 - 1936 trimotor parasol flying boat bomber, x 3*
- Z.508: 3 x 840 hp I-F Asso XI R.C.40, span 30.00 m
-- Z.508 was scaled-up, trimotor devel. of CANT Z.501
-- * MM.322 (Oct 1936), MM.323 and MM.324 (1937-1938)
-- http://www.airwar.ru/enc/flyboat/z508.html

Z.509 - 1937 trimotor mail/pax twin float seaplane, x 3
- Z.509: 3 x 1,000 hp Fiat A.80 XI RC.41, span 28.32 m
-- Z.509 was enlarged, heavier development of Z.506
-- Built for Ala Littoria's transatlantic service, 4+8 pax

Z.510 - [Project] 1937 twin-engined recce-bomber floatplane
- Z.510: Twin-engined devel. of trimotor Z.506B

Z.511 - 1940 4-engined transatlantic floatplane, x 1*
- Z.511: 4 x 1,500 hp Piaggio P.XII RC.35, span 39.86 m
- Z.511: [Project] 1937-39 LATI mail/cargo/pax seaplane
- Z.511 1st prototype: 1940 maritime patrol floatplane
-- Init. 4 x A-R 135 RC.35, Wright R-2600A (2B) planned
- Z.511A: Militarized Z.511 (MM.386), various missions
-- * 2nd prototype 80% complete, destr. at Monfalcone
- BZ.305: [Project] Breda landplane vers. of Z.511
-- http://www.airwar.ru/enc/sww2/z511.html

Z.512 - [Project] 1938 floatplane vers. of Z.1014 bomber
- Z.512: 4 x 1,400 hp A-R 135 RC 18-cyl., span 36.00 m
-- DGCA order Z.512 prototype constr'n, then cancelled
-- http://www.alieuomini.it/files/anteprima/medium/crda_cantz1014,3162.jpg

Z-513 - (??) no details

Z.514 : [Project] 1939 floatplane vers. of Z.1018 bomber
- Z.514: 2 x 1,350 hp Piaggio P.XII RC35, span 22.50 m
-- Z.514 was to be Z.1018A fitted with Z.506 twin floats

Z-515: 1940 twin-engined, twin-float recce seaplane, x 11*
- Z.515 prototype: Wooden flying mock-up, flew July 1940
- Z.515 : 2 x 700 hp I-F Delta RC.35, span 22.50 m
-- * Ordered into prod'n, many bombed on prod'n line
- Z.515 ??: Planned Japanese licensed prod'n, not taken up
-- 3v: http://italianaircraftofwwii.devhub.com/img/upload/sdger5yy46546.jpg

Z.516 - 1940 experimental twin-float recce-bomber, x 1
- Z.516: Z.1007bis with Z.506 floats & twin tailplanes
-- Z.516 (MM.23289) reconverted to Z.1007bis standards

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CANT 'Z.10xx' Designations - Filippo Zappata Land Planes

Z.1001 - (??) no details, frequent typo for Z-1007

Z.1002 - (??) no details, occassional typo for Z-1012

Z.1003 - [Project] 193? trimotor airliner concept
- Z.1003: Landplane vers. of Z.506C floatplane

Z.1004 - [Project] 193? trimotor airliner concept
- Z.1004: (??) no details

Z.1005 - [Project] 193? bomber similar to Z-1007*
-- * Same 3 x I-F Asso XI.RC, same bomb load (500 kg)

Z.1006 - (??) no details

Z.1007 - 1937 trimotor monoplane medium bomber, x 660
- Z.1007 Alcione: Mixed-constr., single/twin tailplanes
- Z.1007 prototype: March 1937, 3 x 830 hp I-F Asso XI RC
- Z.1007 series: Limited prod'n, Feb 1939-Oct 1939, x 34
- Z.1007bis: 3 x 986 hp Piaggio P.XI RC.40, span 25.00 m
-- Serie I-III: Single fin and rudder (Monoderiva)
-- Serie IV-IV: Twin fins and rudders (Doppia deriva)
- Z.1007ter (I): [Project] 3 x 1,400 hp A-R 135 radials*
-- * First Z.1007ter was dropped in favour of Z.1018
- Z.1007ter (II): 3 x 1,150 hp Piaggio P.XIX radials, x 35
-- http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww2/z1007.html

Z.1008 - [Project] Heavy bomber, Z-1007 deriv., no details
- Z.1008: Project details led to 4-engined Z.1014 concept
-- Occasional typo for Z.1018 (below)

Z.1009 - (??) no details

Z.1010 - 1935 high-wing light transport, 1+4, x 1 (I-ABLB)
- Z.1010: 1 x 120 hp Alfa-Romeo 110-I 4-cyl, span 12.60 m
-- Z.1010 built for 1935 Littorio Air Rally, aka 'Balilla'

Z.1011 - 1936 twin-engined low-wing 'heavy' bomber, x 6
- Z.1011: Mixed constr., 2 x I-F Asso XI, span 25.00 m
- Z.1011 prototype: 950 hp Gnome-Rhône Mistral Major RCs*
- Z.1011 prototype: Re-engined with 820 hp I-F Asso XI RC
- Z.1011 production: 2 x 840 hp I-F Asso XI RC.40 V-12s
- Z.1011: [Project] High-altitude vers., radial engines**
-- ** 2 x Piaggio P.XI RC.100 with two-speed compressors

Z.1012 - 1937 low-wing trimotor feederliner, 1+3-5, x 5
- Z.1012: 2 x 120 hp A-R 110 or 185 hp A-R 115, span 15 m
- Z.1012: [Project] (??) Single-engined carrier aircraft*
-- * http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,28582.msg299687.html

Z.1013 - (??) no details

Z.1014 - [Project] 1938 low-winged 4-engined heavy bomber
- Z.1014: 4 x 1,400 hp A-R 135 RC 18-cyl., span 36.00 m
-- BGR (Bombardiere a Grande Raggio) winning competitor*
-- * Decision overturned for cheaper/built Piaggio P.108
-- http://www.alieuomini.it/files/anteprima/medium/crda_cantz1014,3162.jpg

Z.1015 - 1938-1939 trimotor mailplane/torpedo-bomber, x 1
- Z.1015 : Init., 1939 long-range mailplane Z.1007 deriv.
-- 2 x 1,000 hp Piaggio P.XI, later 1,500 P.XII RC.35
- Z.1015 : Init., 1939 long-range mailplane Z.1007 deriv.
- Z.1015 : 1940 'torpedo-bomber' conv., see Reply #1
-- Z.1015B: [Project] Bomber vers., twin-tailplanes
-- Z.1015B: 3 x 1,550 hp A-R 135 RC.32s, span 24.80 m
-- http://www.airwar.ru/enc/cww2/z1015.html
-- http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cww2/z1015/z1015-3.jpg
-- http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft32281.htm
-- http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/AI/AI77-11/22-2.jpg

Z.1016 - [Project] 1938 single-engined long-range record flight concept*
- Z.1016: Z.1007 derivative, airframe similar to sole trimotor Z.1015
-- * Intended to challenge record by British Vickers Wellesley

Z.1017 - [Project] ?? torpedo-bomber developed from Z-1015

Z.1018 - Leone, 1939 twin-engined medium bomber,* x 15-17
-- * Also proposed as torpedo-bomber & heavy nightfighter
- Z.1018: 2 x 1,350 hp Piaggio P.XII RC35, span 22.50 m
- Z.1018 prototype: MM.467, considered flying mock-up
- Z.1018 w/ DB 601 : [Project] July 1939 request by RA
- Z.1018A: pre-prod'n (MM.24290-24299), 1 alum., 9 wood
- Z.1018L: 'Legno', altern. desig. for 9 x wood Z.1018A
- Z.1018M: Leone I prod'n vers., metal const., x 102**
-- ** Ordered (MM.24824-24925 plus MM.25162 & MM.25163)
-- MM.24824 compl. as heavy nightfighter, FuG 202 radar
-- MM.24826 compl. as torpedo-bomber, Argo naval radar
- Z.514 : [Project] Floatplane vers., Z.506 twin floats
-- 3v: http://aviarmor.net/aww2/_photo_aircraft/f_ita/cant_z1018/z1018_d1.jpg
Leoni variants proposed after Zappata's move to Breda
- BZ.301: [Project] Leone II high-altitude bomber, span 24.00 m
- BZ.302: [Project] High-altitude heavy fighter, span ?? m
- BZ.303: [Project] Leone III multirole a/c,*** span 20.70 m
-- *** Heavy nightfighter (8x 20mm MG 151) or torpedo-bomber
-- BZ.303 bis: [Project] variant with 2 x DB 603 engines
- BZ.304: [Project] Anti-tank vers. w/ large-calibre gun

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Amazing work my dear Apophenia.

Dear Boys & Girls, are there any published drawings and photographs of the Z.516 prototype available please?

Terry (Caravellarella)

Caravellarella said:

Dear Boys & Girls, are there any published drawings and photographs of the Z.516 prototype available please?

Terry (Caravellarella)

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Here it's my dear Caravellarella.

1/72 Scale Choroszy Modelbud CANT Z.504 Resin Model Built In 2017...

Amazing Model Retired In Kalifornia,

but what was it ?.

hesham said:

Amazing Model Retired In Kalifornia, but what was it?

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Thanks.

From L'Aeronautique 1927-8,

what was this (right one) ?.

hesham said:

From L'Aeronautique 1927-8,

what was this (right one) ?.

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Do believe its the Savoia-Marchetti S.62

Retired In Kalifornia said:

Do believe its the Savoia-Marchetti S.62

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But what was in right,it was from CANT products ?.

hesham said:

Retired In Kalifornia said:

Do believe its the Savoia-Marchetti S.62

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But what was in right,it was from CANT products ?.

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Not likely a CANT seaplane based on hull design, probably another Savoia-Marchetti seaplane.

Hi Retired In Kalifornia,

but in the caption,they mentioned CANT ?.

From Aerea 6/1924,

what was this CANT trainer & tourist seaplane with central hull and powered by one 60 hp Combi engine,
as I translate,the Officine & Cantieri was the same of this company,is that right ?.

Officine e Cantieri just means 'workshop and shipyard' in Italian. Nápoles is the Spanish for Naples. ('Our' CANT was in Triest on the Adriatic coast.)

This company sounds more like the Officine Meccaniche e Cantieri Navali di Napoli (later Navalmeccanica). FWIW, the 60 hp Combi powerplant mentioned was a 6-cylinder water-cooled engine.

Thank you my dear Apophenia,

but I never heard about this company or its products before ?.

No, in any aviation context, nor have I. Perhaps, in translating too literally, my suggestion has just muddied the waters?

The firm that I mentioned is entirely associated with ship repair and was established in 1939 (as an IRI-dictated combining of four local shipyards). That 1939 founding date is important since the "Combi" engine mentioned seems to date from the mid 1920s.

Actually, that "Combi" powerplant is also a bit of mystery (to me, at least). 'Combi' is a name most associated with the Officine Meccaniche Colombo - as in the Colombo-Combi D110. But that big 6-cylinder dating from 1916 produced 120 hp. So, does anyone know of a Colombo 6-cylinder from the Twenties which produced 60 hp?

This brings up a Combi-powered trainer - the so-called 'CANT R.7 Montorfano'. That name was assigned by Flight in Feb 1926. L'Air (01 Avril 1926) got it right, attributing the R.7 to Cantieri Navali di Monfalcone. But L'Air lists the powerplant as a "moteur Colombi à six cylindres verticaux" ... perhaps a blurring of Colombo-Combi? https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9804419g/f18.item

BTW, in reply #26 you asked about a flying boat displayed on at a Prague exhibition. I believe that it was a CANT 21, based on the forward gun ring.

Apophenia said:

No, in any aviation context, nor have I. Perhaps, in translating too literally, my suggestion has just muddied the waters?

The firm that I mentioned is entirely associated with ship repair and was established in 1939 (as an IRI-dictated combining of four local shipyards). That 1939 founding date is important since the "Combi" engine mentioned seems to date from the mid 1920s.

Actually, that "Combi" powerplant is also a bit of mystery (to me, at least). 'Combi' is a name most associated with the Officine Meccaniche Colombo - as in the Colombo-Combi D110. But that big 6-cylinder dating from 1916 produced 120 hp. So, does anyone know of a Colombo 6-cylinder from the Twenties which produced 60 hp?

This brings up a Combi-powered trainer - the so-called 'CANT R.7 Montorfano'. That name was assigned by Flight in Feb 1926. L'Air (01 Avril 1926) got it right, attributing the R.7 to Cantieri Navali di Monfalcone. But L'Air lists the powerplant as a "moteur Colombi à six cylindres verticaux" ... perhaps a blurring of Colombo-Combi? https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k9804419g/f18.item

BTW, in reply #26 you asked about a flying boat displayed on at a Prague exhibition. I believe that it was a CANT 21, based on the forward gun ring.

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It actually is the Ricci R.7

riccimoretti said:

Apophenia said:

... BTW, in reply #26 you asked about a flying boat displayed on at a Prague exhibition. I believe that it was a CANT 21, based on the forward gun ring.

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It actually is the Ricci R.7

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/ricci-bros-projects-between-the-aerial-motorcycle-and-the-flying-transatlantic.9159/

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Umm, wasn't the Ricci R.7 a tandem 2-seat landplane?

Perhaps one of the other Ricci products? (The R.1 and R.1bis might be the right size but their upper hull shapes look different than hesham's 'mystery boat'.)

hello
thank you for new membership to to secretprojects !
At the age of 16 I saw a strange model plane. I remember a wooden model painted in 3 colour camo and with complete insignia on wings and two tail surfaces . It was a two radial motors plane, mid wing , with a similar fuselage of Cant Z 1018 , and stepped above and underside to the rear. It seemed smaller in the class of FC 20, AS14 or Cr 25 . The name I remember is Cant Z 1021 ! (spurious?). It was placed on a big fascist beam support of silver metal. Any news about? At the present I havent found confirmation of it. Again I saw it on a stickers for boys. Today I am unable to see it again.

Welcome aboard Colonelpablo,

a strange Info,but maybe it was real,because the Z-1018 was appeared in 1939,and Mr. Zappata worked
up to 1942,so it was possible Z-1021 existed ?!.

hesham said:

Welcome aboard Colonelpablo,

a strange Info,but maybe it was real,because the Z-1018 was appeared in 1939,and Mr. Zappata worked
up to 1942,so it was possible Z-1021 existed ?!.

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Unlikely, since just after to have realized the Leone, Filippo Zappata moved to Breda to realize the BZ-308, so a further CANT project cannot have a Z designation.

My dear Archipeppe,

he left the company in 1942,so from the period 1939 to 1942,maybe he designed and
completed the series with unknown concepts,Z-1019,Z-1020 & Z-1021 ?.