Russian Turtle Tanks

[Justo Miranda]

Given that soon enough drones won't come in ones and twos but in swarms of hundreds or thousands, even the zappiest zapgun in the world likely won't be enough. You'll need something akin to a WMD to deal with them: clouds of bugbots, or electromagnetic fields of incredible power, or outright EMP bursts or fuel-air explosions.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i3XQOFfWU1g

A swarm of drones needs to detect the target before attacking it. Perhaps the best solution is to offer it numerous fake targets (updated Window technology)

 

[CJGibson]

With regard to these turtles' vision blocks, don't some training rounds have a bright paint fill ??

Splash-over would also highlight the target ...

Nowt new there.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-0pcfxFlRA


Chris

 

[Scott Kenny]

Isn't there an old supposedly French origin saying going something like "The more things change the more they remain the same"?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Tout change sauf le théâtre d’avant-garde.

 

[Michel Van]

update

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keCt_fB4ql0

 

[Pioneer]

Before jumping to praise, I would suggest you have a watch of the Perun video I posted above.

Sorry GTX, my recognition vs your stated "praise" are two very different things in my perception.
You'd undoubtedly appreciate that soldiers have been adhocly improvising and adapting weapon systems/platforms throughout history.
Whether Russian soldier adopted combat lessons from the Syrians is irrelevant, the fact that they have actual adapted it.

I'm not referring or imply the following to yourself GTX, but there are so many people who have become very accustomed to slagging off the Russians, for no other reason than they are Russians - nothing more, nothing less.
Personally, without wanting to diverge off topic, I'm very tired of this pathetic narrative of Western media/politicians/arm chair generals demonising, de-humanising Russians - or more simply put underestimating ones perceived
enemy - you know, like this rubbish of Russia running out of this and that weapons, using washing machine computer chips, .......
I would be very interested to see the actual post-conflict analysis of this Russian-Ukrainian conflict - the actual causes vs the narratives, the actual true combat performance of given weapons/units/leadership etc.....But alas that's never going to happen. I think, just as in the case of most wars/conflicts, the combination of political/politicians hubris and the Military Industrial Complex profit opportunities won't allow for this.
I remember the hype of the First Gulf War and the exaggerated claims of given weapons capabilities vs reality [the Patriot SAM against Scud's being but one] or the fact of just how shit the Iraqi military was [you know - The Republican Guard!] which spurred on massive arms sales in the West by Western arms manufactures - a corporate delight which is in top gear once again and the conflict hasn't even concluded yet.

Anyhow, on a lighter note, I better get back into my garage and get my indigenous Hills Hoist clothesline Cope Cage finished.

P.S. Wouldn't it be great to have a mature thread on discussing the actual lessons/evolutionary aspects of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict thus far. But once again alas, peoples hatred and steadfast ideologies would probably destroy such a mature thread within hours, if not minutes of its posting.

Regards
Pioneer

 

[GTX]

Did you actually watch the video posted?

 

[Justo Miranda]

Turtles

 

[Pioneer]

Did you actually watch the video posted?

Yes I did GTX.
What point of the video are you alluding to please?

Regards
Pioneer

 

[GTX]

Yes I did GTX.
What point of the video are you alluding to please?

Regards
Pioneer

That typically these mods are done locally but are generally useless other than a placebo style effect.

 

[Pioneer]

That typically these mods are done locally but are generally useless other than a placebo style effect.

Yes, I did note that analogy- I guess it no different to the sand bags, logs, tracks and concrete employed by tank crews throughout the history of tanks/armoured warfare.

Saying this, the ccommentatorof the video did uses an exhausting amount of assumptions like:
-Lack of data, evidence;
-Factors and variables;
-There are plenty of reasons;
-Looks like/seems to be/could be’s.....

The one factor the commentators of the video doesn’t appear to mention is that the original overhead protection cages – aka Cope Cage were devised by the Syrian army as a response to urban warfare vs that of drone attack. The fact that later drone attack emphasise top attack on some of the thinnest application of armour on a tank and the use of Cope Cage is a good case of good economics. Saying this, undoubtedly the worlds military industry will make much money from evolved development of specialised designes and marketing regardless.
In truth, I found the best part of the video was the information within the commentators conclusion.

But that's just my views.

P.S. I've had the opertunity over my long time in the Green Machine in actually experimenting with both penatration and protection aspects of projectiles and explosives and I must say some techniques and materials I've been both suprised and educated by many improvisational techniques - what works and doesn't work.

Regards
Pioneer